The Immortals Handbook

[Upper_Krust]

Hi CRGreathouse mate!

I think that "feat/class/prestige class/etc." can easily include divine/cosmic/omnific gifts, turning your comment right back around.

'Easily'!?

Notwithstanding the design philosophy implications.

Any being that has class levels is (by definition) an individual.

How many monsters in the Monster Manual have class levels*...effectively none (except individual examples).

*Not counting intrinsic spellcasting levels.

You simply cannot design 'creatures/races' like that.

If a Seraphim is a titanic dragon with four heads and six wings, you can't just say its an Astral Deva with some Prestige Class Levels (even if those Prestige Classes made it dragon-like and granted multiple heads and extra sets of wings). Its a race, not a career.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Alzrius mate!

As CRGreathouse said, Sean doesn't try to quantify other gods against God, but he makes some (somewhat) ambiguous notes about them. One of the most interesting parts of the book, for me, was when he talked about where evil gods came from. "Evil gods appeared, either forming themselves out of the darkness of Hell, splintering into independence from dark thoughts from God himself, or visiting from other realms." The idea that God was unable to stop himself from making evil gods, or that said evil gods came from some place beyond God's reach, is very interesting to me, as it seems to indicate limits on an otherwise limitless power.

Sean is very well versed in esoteric lore. I have seen comments in a similar vein numerous times within occult literature.

Evil was created because of an architectural imbalance in the cosmos...ostensibly you can't have light without darkness.

 

[CRGreathouse]

Any being that has class levels is (by definition) an individual.

How many monsters in the Monster Manual have class levels*...effectively none (except individual examples).

I'll take an example from my world, my own (heavily modified) LeShay. There are perhaps two dozen LeShay, only one of which has made itself known on the world. All of the LeShay have class levels... my base LeShay is only around CR 16, but the weakest of the LeShay are still in the 30s. The 'deafult' CR 16 LeShay doesn't exist anywhere.

Instead, the real default LeShay is, say, a LeShay Wiz30/Arcane Archer15, or something similar; it's what you'd expect if you met a random member of the race.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi CRGreathouse matey!

I'll take an example from my world, my own (heavily modified) LeShay. There are perhaps two dozen LeShay, only one of which has made itself known on the world. All of the LeShay have class levels... my base LeShay is only around CR 16, but the weakest of the LeShay are still in the 30s. The 'deafult' CR 16 LeShay doesn't exist anywhere.

Instead, the real default LeShay is, say, a LeShay Wiz30/Arcane Archer15, or something similar; it's what you'd expect if you met a random member of the race.

Thats certainly a possible approach, but you yourself still define a default LeShay even if you do not actually use one...its still written down for you.

Your Leshay may be 'x+y' (where 'y' is class levels), but you still have to define 'x'.

 

[CRGreathouse]

Thats certainly a possible approach, but you yourself still define a default LeShay even if you do not actually use one...its still written down for you.

Your Leshay may be 'x+y' (where 'y' is class levels), but you still have to define 'x'.

Sure I have a default LeShay, I'm just saying that it doesn't much matter since none exist.

Congrats, by the way, on getting 1000 posts on this thread!

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

Sure I have a default LeShay, I'm just saying that it doesn't much matter since none exist.

Thats the choice of your campaign though, that cannot be a default decision though. You can't have the stats for a race and force class levels on them (for individuals yes, but not races). Thats like saying you can only have elves if they start as 7th-level Wizards. If such as these were automatically 7th-level Wizards then they would have integrated levels as with Dragons for instance.

Congrats, by the way, on getting 1000 posts on this thread!

He he! Thanks!

Slightly embarrassing in that I still don't have the darn thing finished yet but since this thread was started I have got the website up and the Bestiary is taking shape nicely.

 

[CRGreathouse]

Thats the choice of your campaign though, that cannot be a default decision though. You can't have the stats for a race and force class levels on them (for individuals yes, but not races). Thats like saying you can only have elves if they start as 7th-level Wizards. If such as these were automatically 7th-level Wizards then they would have integrated levels as with Dragons for instance.

No, it's more like saying that no more elves are born and all existing members have at least 7 wizard levels. It's quite possible when dealing with races with very few members.

Slightly embarrassing in that I still don't have the darn thing finished yet but since this thread was started I have got the website up and the Bestiary is taking shape nicely.

Frankly, about 9 months ago I figured it would take you until roughly my birthday (mid-late October) to get the Apotheosis PDF out, and it seems that wasn't too far off* -- except it will be the Beastiary instead of Apotheosis to come out first.

* Here's to hoping.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

No, it's more like saying that no more elves are born and all existing members have at least 7 wizard levels. It's quite possible when dealing with races with very few members.

But you understand why, for the purposes of presenting a generic race (rather than individuals), you can't outline them like that...don't you?

Frankly, about 9 months ago I figured it would take you until roughly my birthday (mid-late October) to get the Apotheosis PDF out, and it seems that wasn't too far off* -- except it will be the Beastiary instead of Apotheosis to come out first.

* Here's to hoping.

Funnily enough I actually remember you saying that and I thought by now I'd even have the print version ready.

 

[Baronovan]

Lookin forward

Hey, UK!

Just wanted to drop by and say I'm looking forward to the Bestiary, especially that (WotC) CR 2000 critter. Ouch.

Two questions for ya: how much are the PDF installments going to cost, and can you give us any information on the preferred method of payment? Paypal?

Well, good luck keeping all your ducks in a row and drop by Dicefreaks and let us know how things are going!

-Baronovan (Fëanor @ DF)

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey, UK!

Hey Fëanor matey!

Or Baranovan if you prefer.

Just wanted to drop by and say I'm looking forward to the Bestiary, especially that (WotC) CR 2000 critter. Ouch.

Thanks.

Two questions for ya: how much are the PDF installments going to cost,

Well the bestiary is gonna cost about $9.

and can you give us any information on the preferred method of payment? Paypal?

Whatever method sites like RPGnow have in place at the moment.

Well, good luck keeping all your ducks in a row and drop by Dicefreaks and let us know how things are going!

I will - appreciate the support mate.