D&D (2024) The impending mess that will be backwards compatibility

[Shiroiken]

The difference is though that DMs already had the power to say what books count, but now WOTC is telling players their old PHBs still count.

Its going to cause conflicts.

WotC is offering an additional option to DMs, not players. The DM always have the final say. This should cause no more conflict than the existence of Tashas or Xanthars.

 

[Emberashh]

WotC is offering an additional option to DMs, not players. The DM always have the final say. This should cause no more conflict than the existence of Tashas or Xanthars.

Thats not how this is being sold at all, and it absolutely will cause problems.

Like, you say it'll be no different than Tashas or Xanathars, but do you think all the arguments about this game are assuming they aren't being used? Does all the power builds people fixate on all get based purely on the PHB?

Its not a new edition, and they're explicitly denying that the new classes supersede the originals, and are meant to be used side by side, and AT THE SAME TIME, they have confirmed they aren't going to be rebalancing the original content unless they remake it, which doesn't mean much if the content doesn't supersede the originals.

They remake a broken subclass, woopdidoo if its balanced, a player has been given the right to use their old book balance and DM be damned.

It is bizarre to just act none of this is going to be an issue. It might not at your table, or even mine, but good god you can't be seriously saying it won't be an issue with anyone elses.

 

[mamba]

So what does that have to do with what Im saying?

It referred to the content of the tweet you posted and what has been said here on the forums about the topic

The point is is that there is going to be a discrepancy and its either the 2014 stuff causes problems or its made obsolete anyway. The only other option is they're on the same level, at which point the question is what are they actually selling?

there is a discrepancy in the 2014 classes already, if this does not increase with 1DD then what is the problem for you? I expect them to be on the same level because backwards compatibility kinda requires that, As to what they are selling, I already answered that.

The difference is though that DMs already had the power to say what books count, but now WOTC is telling players their old PHBs still count.

I don't really care what WotC has to say on that topic, because it changes nothing. I am not interpreting it the way you did however. They are not saying 'it is totally cool to keep on using 5e classes when your DM wants 1DD classes only', they are saying there is no need to switch and that you can run new adventures with 5e chars and old ones with 1DD chars with little hickups

Its going to cause conflicts.

sounds like the equivalent of wishful thinking. I expect tables to discuss it, make a decision and move on

 

[mamba]

They remake a broken subclass, woopdidoo if its balanced, a player has been given the right to use their old book balance and DM be damned.

yeah, try the 'DM be damned approach', the table decides, and this very much includes the DM

It is bizarre to just act none of this is going to be an issue.

I find it more bizarre to make these claims and pretend like this is so different from having a new Tasha's

It might not at your table, or even mine

then who exactly are you speaking for?

 

[Emberashh]

there is a discrepancy in the 2014 classes already, if this does not increase with 1DD then what is the problem for you?

You can't be serious.

and that you can run new adventures with 5e chars and old ones with 1DD chars with little hickups

They explicitly confirmed its more than that. This isn't an interpretation, they are explicitly saying you can use both class versions side by side.

 

[mamba]

You can't be serious.

of course I am. How about you answer the question instead...

They explicitly confirmed its more than that. This isn't an interpretation, they are explicitly saying you can use both class versions side by side.

what I said was "they are saying there is no need to switch and that you can run new adventures with 5e chars and old ones with 1DD chars with little hickups", where does this say anything about not being able to mix 5e and 1DD chars.? I already said that the table will decide what they will do, stick with 5e, move to 1DD or mix. Personally I expect most to pick one side.

 

[Emberashh]

How about you answer the question instead...

How about you acknowledge the multiple times Ive explained what the issue is instead of ignoring it and having the audacity to act like I haven't explained myself.

 

[MGibster]

I really don't want to keep track of a Fighter from 2014 and a Fighter from the next, uh, I mean revised edition. I'm fine with a new edition because it means consolidating all the rules which is preferrable to having them scattered across so many books. If I purchase the next edition of D&D, and it is a new edition I don't care how much WotC protests otherwise, I'm only going to allow the new stuff at the table.

 

[mamba]

If I purchase the next edition of D&D, and it is a new edition I don't care how much WotC protests otherwise, I'm only going to allow the new stuff at the table.

same, I will either stay with 5e or move to 1DD, there won't be a mixing of classes.

 

[Minigiant]

I really don't want to keep track of a Fighter from 2014 and a Fighter from the next, uh, I mean revised edition. I'm fine with a new edition because it means consolidating all the rules which is preferrable to having them scattered across so many books. If I purchase the next edition of D&D, and it is a new edition I don't care how much WotC protests otherwise, I'm only going to allow the new stuff at the table.

Congradulations, you don't have to track the differences.
The point is that 2024 backgrounds +origins + classes combos will be in about the same power range as 2014 backgrounds + races + classes.

That's literally it.