D&D (2024) The Lackluster Ranger

[UngeheuerLich]

honestly, capstone at 20th level is so irrelevant for that as it is not seen in 99% of the games.
Capstone should be at 11th level with possible improvements or extra usages later.
11th level means it cannot be taken by 2 classes for multiclass character.

now when I think about it, I now remembered that @DND_Reborn did with his variant:

D&D 5E - The "Faster Features" Variant (+)

Have you played a PC to level 20, to obtain your capstone feature and rejoice in newly found power and ability, only to have the adventure... end? Have you played many campaigns, making it to level 10 or 12 even, just to find the adventure is suddenly over, and look at those higher lofty levels...

www.enworld.org

all NEW abilities should come before 11th level, maybe at reduced power, so you can enjoy them in most of campaigns.

Funny thing: the ranger capstone starts at level 13. 11 for some subclasses.

 

[mellored]

I just like the idea that if a DM gives the Ranger downtime, they can attune to a terrain.

Sure, but that's a bit different from losing Stealth proficient and gaining a climb speed.

If it was gain travel speed, protection from weather, knowledge of local beasts, foraging, ect... then sure.

 

[MichaelSomething]

The problem with combat bonuses by type is that 5e doesn't enforce resistance, immunity, and damage bonus by creature type like older edition.

I once pondered a game where each monster type had a strength and weakness like plants having fire vulnerability but lightning resistance.

There the ranger analog could spend magic to swap damage types.

Like in Pokemon???

 

[Corinnguard]

Like in Pokemon???

I guess he wants to get them all?

 

[ezo]

honestly, capstone at 20th level is so irrelevant for that as it is not seen in 99% of the games.
Capstone should be at 11th level with possible improvements or extra usages later.
11th level means it cannot be taken by 2 classes for multiclass character.

now when I think about it, I now remembered that @DND_Reborn did with his variant:

D&D 5E - The "Faster Features" Variant (+)

Have you played a PC to level 20, to obtain your capstone feature and rejoice in newly found power and ability, only to have the adventure... end? Have you played many campaigns, making it to level 10 or 12 even, just to find the adventure is suddenly over, and look at those higher lofty levels...

www.enworld.org

all NEW abilities should come before 11th level, maybe at reduced power, so you can enjoy them in most of campaigns.

It is funny you brought this up! I was just talking to him today and he is back to work on this project, for the "Faster Features".

His concept is to develop it as an E12-type (all features gained by level 12) game and then allow levels beyond 12 for higher proficiency bonus, hit dice, etc.

I'm sure he'll be happy to hear you remembered his work from years ago.

 

[Horwath]

It is funny you brought this up! I was just talking to him today and he is back to work on this project, for the "Faster Features".

His concept is to develop it as an E12-type (all features gained by level 12) game and then allow levels beyond 12 for higher proficiency bonus, hit dice, etc.

I'm sure he'll be happy to hear you remembered his work from years ago.

I'm only worried for high level spells getting online too early.

will they still be at "normal" pace or also accelerated.
might be best to keep them at bay as long as possible...

 

[ezo]

I'm only worried for high level spells getting online too early.

will they still be at "normal" pace or also accelerated.
might be best to keep them at bay as long as possible...

They are normal pace, just like in the Faster Features thread.

IIRC Paladins and Rangers got their higher level slots faster because of issues like a Wizard casting steel wind strike several levels before a Ranger could, or a Bard casting find greater steed several levels before a Paladin.

However, I think the number of slots was reduced at lower levels to compensate for getting access to higher level spells sooner, and then the extra slots came online after 10th level.

I do remember, that by 20th level, the PC should be the same as RAW--that was always a goal.

 

[CreamCloud0]

I'm only worried for high level spells getting online too early.

will they still be at "normal" pace or also accelerated.
might be best to keep them at bay as long as possible...

I’d assume spells fall under the ‘progression’ clause, spellcasting is already a feature you have you’re just getting more of it.

 

[Minigiant]

Like in Pokemon???

Kinda

The only way "Undead Slayer: Radiant Damage and Necrotic Resistance" and "Devil Slayer: Lightning Damage and Fire Resistance" works is if 90% of undead deal necrotic and are vulnerable to radiant and 90% of devils deal fire and are vulnerable to ligthning.

 

[Horwath]

They are normal pace, just like in the Faster Features thread.

IIRC Paladins and Rangers got their higher level slots faster because of issues like a Wizard casting steel wind strike several levels before a Ranger could, or a Bard casting find greater steed several levels before a Paladin.

However, I think the number of slots was reduced at lower levels to compensate for getting access to higher level spells sooner, and then the extra slots came online after 10th level.

I do remember, that by 20th level, the PC should be the same as RAW--that was always a goal.

I did similar for 1/2 casters already:

1st table is current and 2nd table is variant for faster casting,
Spell Point column is to compare how close is the value of changed spell slot progression.