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The Last of Us (HBO Max)
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payn
Glory to Marik
Yeah I like these standalone episodes once or twice a season.
Yeah that made zero sense to me, and now they just look like they’re ping-ponging around with the name. We still call it HBO at home.
Rabulias
the Incomparably Shrewd and Clever
It seemed so strange to me that with a respected and admired brand that has been a household name for 40+ years, they would remove it from the name.
payn
Glory to Marik
And go with one known for b action movies and skin flicks. It was certainly a decision…
After this latest epi, lots of discussion online rehashing the hospital moment (I guess both in the game and in the show) again.
It's a very head and heart thing. What I've found of interest is seeing how audiences are responding just online, in their wrestling over the challenges in it.
People who characterize themselves as being pretty individualist, yet have the experience as parents/nurturing and support figures, vibe strongly with "I'd do it all over again" line, of what Joel did.
People who're more communal in their outlook and also have similar experiences likewise vibe strongly, but feel troubled.
All ofc have the ease of looking at it from a step back, and not in the pressure or immediacy of the moment.
I feel a lot of where people fall on this road is based on what their heart felt impressions of Joel are.
It's a very head and heart thing. What I've found of interest is seeing how audiences are responding just online, in their wrestling over the challenges in it.
People who characterize themselves as being pretty individualist, yet have the experience as parents/nurturing and support figures, vibe strongly with "I'd do it all over again" line, of what Joel did.
People who're more communal in their outlook and also have similar experiences likewise vibe strongly, but feel troubled.
All ofc have the ease of looking at it from a step back, and not in the pressure or immediacy of the moment.
I feel a lot of where people fall on this road is based on what their heart felt impressions of Joel are.
payn
Glory to Marik
I can’t recall if Ellie was the only immune or if there were a few others? Also, I swear the cure was a mere chance by operating on Ellie and not a foregone conclusion. Either way probably splitting hairs on the whole situation.
The journey makes the destination in the first game. The fallout of choices makes the second.
Rabulias
the Incomparably Shrewd and Clever
Never played the game, and I don't rightly recall what was said in the show last season, but developing a new cure is never a sure thing. The people involved may have a solid and strong theory, but until it is actually done, failure is always a possibility.
So, a couple of thoughts on this: it’s not like the Fireflies were upfront about their intentions. They were fully prepared to do the operation by force, and if I remember correctly, they took both Joel and Ellie captive first, and only informed Joel that it would kill her. It’s not even like they gave Ellie the choice - it was just “this is happening.”Joel wasn’t simply rampaging through the hospital like a maniac, no matter how much Abby wants to perceive her dear old Dad’s killer that way.
Second, clearly the loss of his daughter impacted him, and possibly made it emotionally impossible to simply let Ellie die, particularly under duress. And yeah, as pointed out, I seem to recall that this was to give them a chance at a cure - it wasn’t a guarantee.
So yeah, I get why the Fireflies did what they did, but I also get why Joel did what he did too.
There’s a third aspect too - could a cure simply undo all that damage? As we’ve seen with pretty much every apocalyptic movie, it’s never the zombie or virus that’s the biggest threat; it’s still mankind. Society disintegrated and turned into a bunch of warlords again. Even with a cure - do those people give up power and let the world go back the way it was? Has Joel simply seen too much pain and suffering to believe that the world comes back from the brink? I think there’s a pretty strong case that no, it’s still gonna be the apocalypse, cure or no.
