[+] The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power - SPOILERS ALLOWED

[Maxperson]

Sure. My suggestions were in response to "perhaps more."

General question - do people consider the seven and the nine basically of the same type in the books? It seems to me that were allocated to Men and Dwarves by Sauron after he seized them from Celebrimbor, but I can't seem to find any reference to the notion that they were forged with that explicit purpose in mind. So Celebrimbor and Sauron forged sixteen great rings together, later distributed according to Sauron's whim.

Do you consider that there were qualitative differences between these rings. Did each have its own "character" - so to speak.

Just curious.

I think they were all the same. They amplified what the user desired. Bilbo became a great burgler, gollum a great murderer, Sam would have become a renowned gardener. The One was the same, only it had much more power. As far as I know, only the three elven rings had different powers.

 

[Zardnaar]

That's the writers take: the point of all the major plotlines was that the good guys fell flat on their faces, and put the Elven leaders in a corner where the right answer was probably "sail to Valinor and have faith things will work out" but instead they cling to power and use the enemies tactic (make magic rings to forestall the will of the Valar).

She's the most powerful elf to ever live, with the possible exception of Feanor who might have equaled her.

Yeah her skills make sense in universe and sheher backstory explains them.

Elves are just better in ME as well.

 

[Tonguez]

I think they were all the same. They amplified what the user desired. Bilbo became a great burgler, gollum a great murderer, Sam would have become a renowned gardener. The One was the same, only it had much more power. As far as I know, only the three elven rings had different powers.

From Wikipedia: Powers and effects of the Rings

Type of Ring	Powers granted	Effects on bearer
Ruling Ring	Invisibility, extended lifespan, control, knowledge of all other Rings	Corruption to evil
Elven-Rings	To heal and preserve	Nostalgia, procrastination
Dwarf-Rings	To gain wealth, extended lifespan	Greed, anger
Rings for Men	Invisibility, extended lifespan, terror	Enslavement, fading to permanent invisibility

 

[Maxperson]

From Wikipedia: Powers and effects of the Rings

Type of Ring	Powers granted	Effects on bearer
Ruling Ring	Invisibility, extended lifespan, control, knowledge of all other Rings	Corruption to evil
Elven-Rings	To heal and preserve	Nostalgia, procrastination
Dwarf-Rings	To gain wealth, extended lifespan	Greed, anger
Rings for Men	Invisibility, extended lifespan, terror	Enslavement, fading to permanent invisibility

That's how they ended up working at the ultimate end. But they were made to enhance what the wearers desired. The dwarves wanted to mine and own things, so it made them better at achieving great wealth, and made the wearers greedy. The humans wanted power, so it gave it to them and then corrupted them into the Nazgul.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

The idea that "canon" matters, or even exists, in fiction, is silly. It matters in holy books, because they are supposed to be true. But fiction is, by definition, untrue. There is no "true" version of the story, and stories continually change to suit the teller and the audience. This is a strength. To try and freeze a story in amber is to diminish it.

Mike Rugnetta has a perfect essay on the subject, specifically referencing Harry Potter, but entirely applicable to this discussion. Canon Is An Abyss – Mike Rugnetta

 

[Zardnaar]

Watching season 6 of GoT.

Young Ned Stark is the same actor as Elrond.

Up to Brans visions and noticed.

 

[Parmandur]

I just wonder who is actually going to make the 7 and the 9.

Probably Celebrimbor with Sauron, since he seems to really desire the power Sauron put in his mind.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

This is something... I think they needed to change given their own change to the story. Annatar is a quenya name. It is consistent with the story from the the books "Hello, I am en emissary of the Valar, I am a favoured of Aulë the crafter among the Valar, and I am here to help ", so it was coherent for him to have a quenya name as he was supposed to be from Valinor. And it was correct-sounging for the Noldor.

Here, he's a "man from the south". Even Numenoreans had stopped using quenya name for their kings for generations (or since a few month, due the timewarp), so why would some random Southerner bear a quenya name? It would sound... fishy. Especially when the name means Bearer of Gift. Even an averagely gullible Noldor would expect him to try a Nigerian scam...

I think more to the point, loremaster viewers would have spotted in straight away and it would have been plastered all over the internet...

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I just wonder who is actually going to make the 7 and the 9.

Just Sauron, I expect (but he will need mithril). Or Sauron+dwarves, Sauron+men. It's what makes sense from a "where we are at now" point of view. Trying to shoe-horn in some "but it says..." isn't going to lead anywhere. We know the writers aren't working that way.

The Silmarilion states quite explicitly that Gandalf (and Radagast) never went east. Saruman and the Blue wizards went east, but only Saruman came back. Does that mean the stranger can't be Gandalf?

 

[Paul Farquhar]

He seems more like Milton's Belial to me.

'Fraid I haven't read Milton.

I'm hoping the actor - who is Australian - drops the Yorkshire accent in his role of Sauron, and goes more RSC. It's grim up North, but Sheffield's not as bad as Mordor.

I hope he has a good range of accents, and switches between them depending on who he is trying to manipulate.

Tolkien makes a point that Aragorn changes his accent depending on who he is talking to.