"The Marvels" - Teaser

Eh... kind of. In Loki there was the whole, I tried to have you killed because you're the result of something that shouldn't have happened.

He didn't just try to have Loki killed. He overall controls a large organization that makes a daily practice of erasing people from reality.

In Ant-Man, it was more like, if I don't kill them, you're all going to die... including them.

It was more like, "You've seen I'm a mass, serial murderer, but please believe my assertion they all have to die, and that any and all collateral damage is acceptable, even though I provide no real proof of that..."
 

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He didn't just try to have Loki killed. He overall controls a large organization that makes a daily practice of erasing people from reality.
Potato-tomato... same result, different ways to strangle a god.
It was more like, "You've seen I'm a mass, serial murderer, but please believe my assertion they all have to die, and that any and all collateral damage is acceptable, even though I provide no real proof of that..."
Exactly. If he'd just communicated, she could have avoided the whole war in the quantum realm and the awkward sex references with Bill Murray.
 


Even Loki has come to care about more than just himself.
Technically, Dilvie is still Loki, so...

With respect, she got a look at what's in his mind while they were trying to fix his ship. He communicated very clearly that way.
Eh... she saw a moving picture show without an explanation of why it was happening. I'd argue that the context was missing. Sure, murdering multiple realities looks bad, but murdering multiple realities to say the main reality isn't as bad.
 

Eh... she saw a moving picture show without an explanation of why it was happening. I'd argue that the context was missing. Sure, murdering multiple realities looks bad, but murdering multiple realities to say the main reality isn't as bad.
I mean, it absolutely is as bad. There's no moral or ethical reason the "main" reality has primacy over the others. Only the utterly amoral and circular logic that the "main" reality is somehow "above" the rest.

Also, who gets to pick what the "main" reality is, and was it always the "main" reality or is it simply a long-ago branching of some other reality?
 

I mean, it absolutely is as bad. There's no moral or ethical reason the "main" reality has primacy over the others. Only the utterly amoral and circular logic that the "main" reality is somehow "above" the rest.

Also, who gets to pick what the "main" reality is, and was it always the "main" reality or is it simply a long-ago branching of some other reality?
"The one that leads to me controlling everything is obviously the 'main' reality." - Kang, probably.
 

Technically, Dilvie is still Loki, so...-

OH, please. We have a Loki upon which we are focused. The existence of someone else very similar with other thoughts doesn't change that.

And, to my mind, Sylvie might still be Sylvie Lushton/Amora the Enchantress (not to be confused with Amora the sister of Lorelei) , and not actually Loki.

Eh... she saw a moving picture show without an explanation of why it was happening.

I don't think we should take the scene there to depict the literal and total experience she had. It should be taken as representational.

I'd argue that the context was missing.

I don't know if we need a lot of context to reject serial mass murder - indeed serial genocide if we take removal of alternate timestreams into account.
 
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I mean, it absolutely is as bad. There's no moral or ethical reason the "main" reality has primacy over the others. Only the utterly amoral and circular logic that the "main" reality is somehow "above" the rest.
Not sure where you're getting "... that the 'main' reality is somehow 'above' the rest" from, but in any case, it kind of boils down to, either the other realities get killed, or all realities get killed. Those realities are destined to be destroyed. I mean, I'm assuming they're going off the same kind of plot as the comics when it comes to the convergence events, where the multiverse is being destroyed as one reality crashes into another in a domino effect of Michael Bayplosions. That's what provides the heroes with a plot and purpose. Stop the destruction of the multiverse by stopping the convergence events without killing everyone else off.

Sure, Kang isn't being very heroic, and there are probably other ways to stop the convergence events other than killing off other realities, but maybe he doesn't know how. Yeah, he's a smart dude, but he's one smart dude who teamed up with a smart Janet who was smart enough not to tell her smart quantum realm observation device building family why they should leave the quantum realm alone and expect they would just accept her reasoning that they should leave the quantum realm alone for no other reason than she just said so. I don't think it would be too far of a stretch for her to follow along once Kang explained his reasoning.

I guess if you want to have a moment of morality, you could go along the lines of what they did in the comics where Captain America refused to destroy the earth of another reality in order to save the main Marvel reality. He ends up getting his mind wiped of all memories of the Illuminati, gets them back, and then fights Iron-Man to the death of the multiverse. Reed Richards builds a reality life raft, and Doom becomes God King Doom, one of the awesomest looking versions of Doom. I don't know if anyone has tried to create a God King Doom costume for a convention, but that would rock.

Also, who gets to pick what the "main" reality is, and was it always the "main" reality or is it simply a long-ago branching of some other reality?
I'm going to go with the writers. At some point in the comics the 616 universe was deemed the main Marvel reality/universe/ham sandwich. The MCU may have a different designation for the main Marvel universe, so in that case, the script writers get to choose. At the end of the day, it's a movie and not real. Which and/or why a particular universe was designated as the main universe and who gave it that designation, and what authority they had to do so doesn't really matter. It's just done for the sake of the story.
 

OH, please. We have a Loki upon which we are focused. The existence of someone else very similar with other thoughts doesn't change that.

And, to my mind, Sylvie might still be Sylvie Lushton/Amora the Enchantress (not to be confused with Amora the sister of Lorelei) , and not actually Loki.



I don't think we should take the scene there to depict the literal and total experience she had. It should be taken as representational.
Okay. I mean, if that's how you are interpreting, cool. That fits. I got no problem with that.

I don't know if we need a lot of context to reject serial mass murder - indeed serial genocide if we take removal of alternate timestreams into account.
I think if given the information that either all those realities are destroyed or all realities, including the ones that were going to be destroyed by Kang, will be destroyed, it would probably require a bit more thought be put into the decision.

Now, I'm just going by the assumption that they are going to have the effects of the convergence effects/results in the MCU be the same as the comics. I could be completely wrong, and at that point, I'm just advocating for Janet to be an accomplice to Kang and his multiversal killing spree. But that would still make for an interesting movie. At least to me.
 


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