"The Marvels" - Teaser

[billd91]

MCU fatigue is real, but it's more the result of a lot a string of so-so MCU movies than something that had to happen. If the recent MCU output had all been good movies on their own rights, I don't think it'd be as much of an issue. But they haven't been. People try and rationalize it as failure to advance the metaplot or whatever, and there may or may not be some truth in that, but the reality is, I'd suggest, it's been a long time since we saw a genuinely exciting or surprising MCU movie which didn't have Spider-Man in the title.

I agree there's real MCU fatigue. And it doesn't even require so-so movies to explain it. Audiences can be fickle and attention hard to sustain with the same intensity, in general, much less when the broad franchise has been running for about 15 years of sometimes frequent releases. Plus, we're at a point similar to the start of the MCU - early in any metaplot, introducing a lot of new characters and plot threads - but without a breakout, super-charismatic performer to exploit... sorry, follow.

Add onto that the pandemic disrupting people's movie-going habits (cinema crowds aren't quite back to pre-pandemic levels).

Then you've got the post-climax (refractory) period after the Infinity Stone story. (just think of Kevin Nealon reviewing movies for the Thanos meta-saga "interested... interested... very interested... very, very interested... then suddenly I wasn't very interested). I may compare it to sex and/or porn, but there are a number of types of viewers who would have also found the culmination of the Thanos story as an ideal dropping off point since their investment in that crescendoing story had been paid off. And now is the time to drop before getting rolled up into the next crescendo.

And then add the departure of many of the initial stars in the MCU - leaving mostly their supporting cast.

So yeah, MCU fatigue is a real thing, for a number of real reasons, to the point I'm not so sure it's just related to a couple of so-so releases.

But we absolutely agree that the intensity of the attack on the Marvels teaser trailer isn't fatigue. If it was, the effect would have been seen on all of the other trailers too. It's misogyny.

 

[Tonguez]

These are two different and separate problems occurring at the same time, I don't see any evidence they're interrelated.

The downvotes are because of active misogyny, which so far, doesn't seem to have hurt the box office or viewership of any Marvel shows or movies.

MCU fatigue is real, but it's more the result of a lot a string of so-so MCU movies than something that had to happen. If the recent MCU output had all been good movies on their own rights, I don't think it'd be as much of an issue. But they haven't been. People try and rationalize it as failure to advance the metaplot or whatever, and there may or may not be some truth in that, but the reality is, I'd suggest, it's been a long time since we saw a genuinely exciting or surprising MCU movie which didn't have Spider-Man in the title.

the MCU has fallen into being formulaic ‘lite action comedies’ which do have wide appeal but after 15 have become a bit of a blur as the stories merge into each other and the characters become largely interchangeable.

The few outstanding movies - Winter Soldier, Black Panther, Endgame all had a more weighty tone, and Ragnarok was a spectacle of absurdity.
of course Eternals tried to break the formula too and the audience didnt like it.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

The TV shows, which have been all over the place, quality wise, since the beginning are at least trying a broader array of things (as long as they get that 20 minutes of CGI action in before the final credits roll).

I am optimistic that Daredevil: Born Again will steer away from being an action comedy, for instance.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

the MCU has fallen into being formulaic ‘lite action comedies’ which do have wide appeal but after 15 have become a bit of a blur as the stories merge into each other and the characters become largely interchangeable.

The few outstanding movies - Winter Soldier, Black Panther, Endgame all had a more weighty tone, and Ragnarok was a spectacle of absurdity.
of course Eternals tried to break the formula too and the audience didnt like it.

Yeah this plus a decline in average quality is most of it.

Now, Wakanda did try to be more weighty, but I'd argue it largely failed at it, because it's just too meandering, plus it's only genuinely weighty at the beginning and the end, and has a lot of action-comedy or somewhat pointless-feeling action or yawn-inducing posturing (like all the UN stuff) in-between.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

His reason amounts to, "If I don't control the universe, I destroy the universe," which wasn't persuasive in Loki, so I don't know why it would be persuasive here.

Eh... kind of. In Loki there was the whole, I tried to have you killed because you're the result of something that shouldn't have happened. In Ant-Man, it was more like, if I don't kill them, you're all going to die... including them.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

That's why I think TV shows is generally a much better way to adapt comic books to live action. The serialization matters, and encourages somewhat longer narratives and reuse of villains. There's a reason most superheros have a "rogue's gallery" which keeps turning up over and over again.

Yeah, but Marvel still kills villains in shows. If I remember correctly, the only villains to survive are the Kingpin and Zemo... and technically Dormamu but only because they can't actually kill him. He just gave up and took his homies back home.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

Heh, the lack of clear communication is the most realistic part of the entire movie! Unfortunately humans arent very good at being frank and upfront about things.
Afterall Kang was trying to hide somethings from his past and Janet had just been through decades of seperation trauma (and living with giant bugs)

Had she been in there that long by the time she found him? I thought hat was early on then he became the conqueror and took over the quantum realm. Her and Bill Murray meet up and get kinky and then years later she is rescued. Or am I remember things out of order?

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

I am optimistic that Daredevil: Born Again will steer away from being an action comedy, for instance.

i really hope so. I'm also hoping they don't use the costume in She-Hulk. Sure, it's comic book accurate, but it was still trash. I'd like them to keep the Netflix feel to the show. it's dark and gritty and the comedy works because it's sprinkled in rather than made the basis for every damn line.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

i really hope so. I'm also hoping they don't use the costume in She-Hulk. Sure, it's comic book accurate, but it was still trash. I'd like them to keep the Netflix feel to the show. it's dark and gritty and the comedy works because it's sprinkled in rather than made the basis for every damn line.

The costume is confirmed. I have no idea why they're doing that, but it appears to be a lock.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

The costume is confirmed. I have no idea why they're doing that, but it appears to be a lock.

Damn it...