The Monk's Hit Dice Should Be a d8! [Rant]

[IceBear]

Well, if we take my original interpretation, the monk can take a full round attack action and declare the first to be a stunning attack and then gain the benefits of the stun for the remainder of the attacks. The more I think of it, the more it *feels* like it should be just the one attack.

The other abilites, no, I don't think requires an action to activate, but this one does seem to be a "seperate" ability.

IceBear

 

[Liquide]

Well, if we take my original interpretation, the monk can take a full round attack action and declare the first to be a stunning attack and then gain the benefits of the stun for the remainder of the attacks. The more I think of it, the more it *feels* like it should be just the one attack.

The other abilites, no, I don't think requires an action to activate, but this one does seem to be a "seperate" ability.

IceBear

Oh my, dunno why it feels odd to have converted someone to my point of view, but welcome to the ranks though

Still we'll see if we are correct or not when the sage replies to my mail.

 

[IceBear]

Keep in mind, that I only feel that way about stunning fist. I still think that most of the other supernatural abilities don't require a standard action.

If it wasn't explicitly limited to once per round I might think otherwise, but since it is only once per round it seems to imply that this is different than a normal attack enhancement.

As to whatever the Sage responds with, it's no biggie as I could see it either way. It's nice to know what the offical thought is though.

IceBear

 

[Liquide]

Keep in mind, that I only feel that way about stunning fist. I still think that most of the other supernatural abilities don't require a standard action.

If it wasn't explicitly limited to once per round I might think otherwise, but since it is only once per round it seems to imply that this is different than a normal attack enhancement.

As to whatever the Sage responds with, it's no biggie as I could see it either way. It's nice to know what the offical thought is though.

IceBear

OK at least we have met an agreement (even though I'm a bit suprised you gave in and ended a perfectly nice argumentation session ).

Still I'm a bit curious about how the sage will reply aswell (and any way works but as you said, the official position is always nice to know)

 

[IceBear]

Well, I only joined this five posts ago Honestly, I just started thinking about the only once per round thing and it didn't seem to "fit" with a supernatural ability that was used as part of another action.

Maybe you're thinking I'm someone else?

IceBear

 

[Technik4]

If..

If stunning attack is actually a standard action and not part of an attack sequence (and I've just read through this thread, I can see both sides) then at very least it opens a new thing to make house rules for

Technik

My suggestions: http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32270

 

[IceBear]

I don't really see that big of a deal if it's used either way. Certainly not enough to make a house rule for it.

IceBear

 

[Liquide]

Well I can agree with IceBear here, no big deal how it is used really. We just discuss how it SHOULD be used by the rules in a nice argumentative way, that and the fact that we do not have an official answer yet makes this argumentation fun.

And for people making House Rules just for speculation out on how an ability works, well it kinda honors the cause but is not needed at this point (since we have no official ruling yet).

Nice to see you chip in though mate.

 

[Delgar]

Like I said if your going to rules lawyer it.

If stunning attack is a SU, and you have to activate it as a standard action. You can no longer take your attack action, unless your hasted. Because activating a supernatural ability is a standard action. Therefore a monk, could not activate it's supernatural ability and attack in the same round.

So, by saying you have to activate it and allowing the monk to attack your house ruling it anyway. Your giving the monk an extra standard action in a round.

The fact that it says you can only use it once a round and the fact that the stunning fist feat is better, seems to point in the direction that the INTENTION of the rule was that it could just be used as part of an attack sequence. I think people are trying to make things more complicated than they seem. Of course until it's written in stone, in an erratta or FAQ, rules lawyers will rule the day.

Delgar

 

[Technik4]

I guess I should clarify. I can see the ability being used either way, but clearly it is less powerful if it can only be used by itself with one attack. Hence the feats. I would even say if it becomes a standard action to use it needs some internal boosting to become what it was (or is as the case may be). Certainly I could see adding WIS to the attack roll because as it stands now, using a stunning attack isnt an "all or nothing" gambit, ie- if used with a flurry of blows, you still get some damage in.

In summation, either way works, but the standard action way is underpowered (imo).

Technik