OGL The Moral of the Story Is....Maybe there's such a thing as (D&D being) too big

Alzrius

The EN World kitten
I wouldn't worry about M&M specifically -- the 3rd edition of M&M is completely divorced from the 3.5 SRD, which they had to do to get the DC license.
Checking my copy of the DC Adventures Hero's Handbook, the OGL listing (p. 275) has the 3E SRD and the Modern SRD in its Section 15.
 

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overgeeked

B/X Known World
I wouldn't worry about M&M specifically -- the 3rd edition of M&M is completely divorced from the 3.5 SRD, which they had to do to get the DC license. It could easily be moved to the ORC and built on there -- it's even further from its 3.x roots than Pathfinder 2e is.

I get your point, though, and have no arguments about the rest of it. It's stuck in the same "will they sue if we proceed?" dilemma the rest of the hobby is in, ORC or no ORC.
I’m hoping for a Supers AGE game myself.
 



Greggy C

Adventurer
I vaguely remember little snippets of conversation, regarding why people were happy about D&D's popularity - anything from feeling less ghettoized to the potential benefits that would be reaped: movies, tv shows, and simply more D&D all around.
The moral of the story is that youtubers, streamers, tweeters, creators, will go where the money is.
They were quite happy to never make a video, promote, supplement any other product except 5e.
Until the crowd moved away from 5e.
Even now, is there promotion of other products on this forum? No, its just all 5e OGL threads lul.
 

bloodtide

Adventurer
Well, it IS a Tale as Old as Time......

Sure the game was popular in the late 80s/early 90s, for the gamers. The "world" hardly noticed.
Late 90s was a wasteland, but, eh, we had the rules so, game on
2000s it explodes again, everyone loves the game again. Even the novels take off like rockets. Borders has HUGE cardboard castle displays. Comic/game stores are EVERYWHERE..even the Malls(remember Malls?) Soon enough even "non fans" know about the game too.
2010 things slow down again...4E is not all that great. Comic/game stores close by the hundreds. Book stores like Borders are gone. Novels slow down to a trickle. Everyone knows about "that D&D game" it seems....
2020 5E has brought the game back, though all the stores are gone...we have online.
And..well today
 

I vaguely remember little snippets of conversation, regarding why people were happy about D&D's popularity - anything from feeling less ghettoized to the potential benefits that would be reaped: movies, tv shows, and simply more D&D all around.
Hey buddy some of us were always a little concerned about this, the problem was, whenever we said anything along those lines were characterized as hipsters who "only liked that band before they sold out, maaaaaaan".
 


J.Quondam

CR 1/8
Even now, is there promotion of other products on this forum? No, its just all 5e OGL threads lul.
To be fair, when I scroll down the last ten days or so on the ENW homepage, i see articles for for LevelUp and WOIN, of course, as well as a couple for Blade Runner, one for Vaesen, a beautiful looking indie called "Fragments of the Past", one for Warhammer; not to mention the usual features overviewing crowdsource projects and recent in-print releases.
In addition to all the OGL news, obviously.
 

Micah Sweet

Legend
To be fair, when I scroll down the last ten days or so on the ENW homepage, i see articles for for LevelUp and WOIN, of course, as well as a couple for Blade Runner, one for Vaesen, a beautiful looking indie called "Fragments of the Past", one for Warhammer; not to mention the usual features overviewing crowdsource projects and recent in-print releases.
In addition to all the OGL news, obviously.
The OGL forum sure has a lot of OGL threads in it though.

In all seriousness, I do find it interesting how all the OGL talk has squeezed out 6e talk. Maybe this will affect it's success.
 




The OGL forum sure has a lot of OGL threads in it though.

In all seriousness, I do find it interesting how all the OGL talk has squeezed out 6e talk. Maybe this will affect it's success.
We'll see. It depends on whether the incandescent rage flaring right now burns out completely as the news cycles turn. The next packet will probably catch heat, but is the smouldering resentment going to last through the one after that?
 

DEFCON 1

Legend
Supporter
The OGL forum sure has a lot of OGL threads in it though.

In all seriousness, I do find it interesting how all the OGL talk has squeezed out 6e talk. Maybe this will affect it's success.
Can OGL talk survive and thrive for another 18 months? If it really wants to impact the eventual 2024 game, that's a big ask for people to maintain that level of anger.

Not saying it can't be done... but if/when the new OGL does come out and everyone resigns themselves to its release and then moves on... that's still probably a lot of time left on the docket for Crawford et. al. to quietly keep working and then releasing the books quite a ways after the furor had died down.

Success could still be impacted obviously... but might not be as much if everyone has given up giving a crap about the new OGL at that point.
 

gamerprinter

Mapper/Publisher
If the CIA hadn't funded/instigated so many coups on foreign leaders and governments that tested out other economic systems since the Cold War, those economic systems would undoubtedly have better chances of "working".
I don't disagree, so it would taken longer to fail, without CIA interference. I don't just look at 20th century examples though, I look at political systems across time, and take that into account in any declaration I make about it.
 

Can OGL talk survive and thrive for another 18 months? If it really wants to impact the eventual 2024 game, that's a big ask for people to maintain that level of anger.
It doesn't need to.

People don't need to talk about something 24-7 to care about it.

People, especially RPG DMs, are incredibly good at bearing grudges and remembering slights. People stay mad about stuff that happened 20 or 30 years ago. You think they'll just bliss out and forget stuff that happened 18 months ago?

Also, you're not accounting for how fun and meme-y it will be to dunk on WotC when 1D&D is releasing. Loads of gaming mags (most videogame-oriented ones) will be bringing this up again in articles when 1D&D is near release. Nobody is going to "forget".
 

I don't disagree, so it would taken longer to fail, without CIA interference. I don't just look at 20th century examples though, I look at political systems across time, and take that into account in any declaration I make about it.
I mean, this is really a separate discussion, but let's be clear, democracy failed (or was limited in weird ways) countless times before it caught on, so counting a system out because it failed a bunch of times whilst living in a democracy (even ones as janky as ours), is obviously hilariously silly. It's sitting on 787 saying "MAN WILL NEVER FLY!" because, like until 1903, we didn't.

I'm sure 200 years from now people will be having a good laugh about social stuff we thought "would never work".
 

gamerprinter

Mapper/Publisher
Sure, geopolitics is complex and very imperfect, as every political and economic system - I'm no expert. But I'm confident that at least for now Capitalism is the form of economics that work best for me.
 


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