The new Battlestar
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LightPhoenix
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Well, I'll be the first to argue SFC's programmers don't know what they're doing.jdavis said:
That said, now that it has been shown, I didn't think it was terrible at all. The parts with #6 were a bit extraneous I think, but it made sense why she looks human (infiltration). I'm not really sure how she was supposed to have access to the defense network... you think that'd be pretty high security.
In fact, the only part I really minded was Starbuck - not that she was female, but that the actress didn't really convince me to her being the character of Starbuck. She just didn't seem the part.
Silver Moon
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Well you did better than me. I didn't make it beyond the first commercial break. There's just something about innocent babies getting murdered that I don't find all that entertaining.LightPhoenix said:
(Just my opinion, please don't read the above as an invitation for a flame war. I'm sure there are lots of people who enjoyed the show.)
Yeah, I hung through that part. I thought once you got past that, it was decent. There wasn't much character development, but it did an adequate job of plotting and keeping things interesting once you got past the gratuitous sex scenes *blech*.Silver Moon said:
Still not sure what to make of the camera movements during the space battle scenes. The camera effects of "locking on" to a space borne target were a bit odd.
Still, I'll watch tomorrow night. I'd give the first part a 6/10.
Psion
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Yet (from tonight's viewing) they deliver something that seems more suited to Independance Day, Deep Impact, and Terminator fans.
The cylon ships and the new (soldier, not "hot babe") cylons are cool, but from a plot standpoint, I found it very tiresome and all too familiar.
It just occurs to me that a lot of the cinematography and graphics are reminiscent of Andromeda... the cylon ship shapes, the drop-out missiles, the "missiles eye view" shots...
jdavis
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Well where to start at. (note these are only my personal opinions, I'm not a doctor nor do I play one on TV.)
Warning: Spoilers ahead.
1. The first 5 minutes of the show were pure crap. Lusty Cylons are just goofy, and why did the Cylons even stop there to start with? Just shoot the thing as you fly by, why do we need a scene with a Cylon french kissing a old guy for no apparent reason?
2. I hated everything about the Cylons except for the two CGI ones in the above mentioned first scene. And by everything I mean every stinking little detail about them, I especially hated when she told Baltar that she couldn't die, that she would just wake up in a new body somewhere else. Maybe they will do better with the cylons tomorrow night.
3. Some of those actors just were not very good actors. Some of them might not of had decent parts to work with but some of them just were not that believable. I liked Adama and I liked Baltar and...... well none of the rest of them really stood out at all.
4. Set design sucked for the most part, I did like Caprica, I liked Baltar's house too. I liked the vipers (old and new ones) and I liked the ship that took the soon to be President to the Galactica. I didn't care for the Galactica inside or out though and that was the main set for most of the show.
5. Wardrobe stunk, It really wasn't memorable at all and it didn't look all that official or military either. Civilian wardrobes were ok if a little uninspired, they just didn't stand out as anything special. Apparently they felt the need to dress Cylon 6 as a hooker.
6. The CGI work wasn't all that impressive and I hated their way of filming the space battles, what little footage of space battles there actually was. I understood the point they were trying to make but sometimes cool looking is more important than Realistic in space fighter combat. The fight scenes looked uninspired an unremarkable as a whole, even as bad as the original shows effects look today, they were cutting edge and exciting back then, heck they don't even look that bad compared to the effects in the new show. They never showed any of the rest of the fleet getting attacked, heck they never showed any of the fleet at all. They never showed the planets getting attacked either, just far off scenes of atomic bombs going off (I did like the one effect when Baltar was watching the reporter get blown away on his TV.) Maybe this is something they will do better on tomorrow night too, but so far I'm less than impressed by their "cutting edge CGI" (their words not mine).
7. I didn't like the "Computers=Bad" storyline either. Yes man's overeliance on computers will one day lead to his downfall, I've seen the Terminator movies and the Matrix movies please stop preaching to me about the evils of technology. I mean really they navigate space and control huge space fortresses but they can't have cordless phones? They sent messages with something that looked like a old form feed printer and a teletype machine. They created a sentient AI system and fully moble robots, but they can't shield a onboard ship network cable. Man if the cylons had had more than two fighters this would of really been a disaster. The "smartest man in the colonies" Baltar had to have help with a computer program, yet over 50 years ago they managed to build indepenant thinking robots that have the ability to send their full programming and AI light years away to new bodies if they are destroyed? Maybe I should log off the internet here before my reliance on technology destroys the world
I mean really is that the best they could come up with?
8. By this point your probably thinking I hated it but over all it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be and I did see a couple of glimmers of hope in there. A lot of the problems I am faulting it for can be attributed to a low budget and with the exception of how moronic the evil computers storyline was the rest of it was watchable. Ok I take that back I still hate the cylons and how they took really cool genocidal robot troopers and turned them into baby killing oversexed Victoria Secrets models from outerspace (I changed the channel when I realized she was going to kill the baby, that's just not something that I want to see). The old cylons were robotic soldiers broken down into a strict cast system, singleminded and unfeeling, they never once tongue kissed a Colonial officer.
So to sum it up they hooked me enough that I will watch part 2 but not enough that I would watch a series based on what I have seen so far. I will give credit for it being better than I thought it would be going in (which wasn't hard to do as low as my expectations were set) but it still was a mess. I'll give them a second chance to wow me and hope they were saving all this cool stuff for part 2 but so far I am not all that impressed.
Edit: I forgot one.
9. Where did all the laser guns go off to?.......
Warning: Spoilers ahead.
1. The first 5 minutes of the show were pure crap. Lusty Cylons are just goofy, and why did the Cylons even stop there to start with? Just shoot the thing as you fly by, why do we need a scene with a Cylon french kissing a old guy for no apparent reason?
2. I hated everything about the Cylons except for the two CGI ones in the above mentioned first scene. And by everything I mean every stinking little detail about them, I especially hated when she told Baltar that she couldn't die, that she would just wake up in a new body somewhere else. Maybe they will do better with the cylons tomorrow night.
3. Some of those actors just were not very good actors. Some of them might not of had decent parts to work with but some of them just were not that believable. I liked Adama and I liked Baltar and...... well none of the rest of them really stood out at all.
4. Set design sucked for the most part, I did like Caprica, I liked Baltar's house too. I liked the vipers (old and new ones) and I liked the ship that took the soon to be President to the Galactica. I didn't care for the Galactica inside or out though and that was the main set for most of the show.
5. Wardrobe stunk, It really wasn't memorable at all and it didn't look all that official or military either. Civilian wardrobes were ok if a little uninspired, they just didn't stand out as anything special. Apparently they felt the need to dress Cylon 6 as a hooker.
6. The CGI work wasn't all that impressive and I hated their way of filming the space battles, what little footage of space battles there actually was. I understood the point they were trying to make but sometimes cool looking is more important than Realistic in space fighter combat. The fight scenes looked uninspired an unremarkable as a whole, even as bad as the original shows effects look today, they were cutting edge and exciting back then, heck they don't even look that bad compared to the effects in the new show. They never showed any of the rest of the fleet getting attacked, heck they never showed any of the fleet at all. They never showed the planets getting attacked either, just far off scenes of atomic bombs going off (I did like the one effect when Baltar was watching the reporter get blown away on his TV.) Maybe this is something they will do better on tomorrow night too, but so far I'm less than impressed by their "cutting edge CGI" (their words not mine).
7. I didn't like the "Computers=Bad" storyline either. Yes man's overeliance on computers will one day lead to his downfall, I've seen the Terminator movies and the Matrix movies please stop preaching to me about the evils of technology. I mean really they navigate space and control huge space fortresses but they can't have cordless phones? They sent messages with something that looked like a old form feed printer and a teletype machine. They created a sentient AI system and fully moble robots, but they can't shield a onboard ship network cable. Man if the cylons had had more than two fighters this would of really been a disaster. The "smartest man in the colonies" Baltar had to have help with a computer program, yet over 50 years ago they managed to build indepenant thinking robots that have the ability to send their full programming and AI light years away to new bodies if they are destroyed? Maybe I should log off the internet here before my reliance on technology destroys the world
I mean really is that the best they could come up with?8. By this point your probably thinking I hated it but over all it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be and I did see a couple of glimmers of hope in there. A lot of the problems I am faulting it for can be attributed to a low budget and with the exception of how moronic the evil computers storyline was the rest of it was watchable. Ok I take that back I still hate the cylons and how they took really cool genocidal robot troopers and turned them into baby killing oversexed Victoria Secrets models from outerspace (I changed the channel when I realized she was going to kill the baby, that's just not something that I want to see). The old cylons were robotic soldiers broken down into a strict cast system, singleminded and unfeeling, they never once tongue kissed a Colonial officer.
So to sum it up they hooked me enough that I will watch part 2 but not enough that I would watch a series based on what I have seen so far. I will give credit for it being better than I thought it would be going in (which wasn't hard to do as low as my expectations were set) but it still was a mess. I'll give them a second chance to wow me and hope they were saving all this cool stuff for part 2 but so far I am not all that impressed.
Edit: I forgot one.
9. Where did all the laser guns go off to?.......
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2d6
A Natural 12
Random thoughts.......
I went in with no preconceptions, I thought it was OK. The creators could have mauled it far more then they did.
I agree about about the whole computers=bad thing, they are even worse with nukes! it is a sad, tired, little theme.
I thought the pace was kinda slow, I imagine a potential series is the reason for that, it really does strike me as a supersized pilot.
The woman didn;t bother me that much, I can see the part she plyed in tonights portion. The whole she can't die thing kinda bugs me though.
I went in with no preconceptions, I thought it was OK. The creators could have mauled it far more then they did.
I agree about about the whole computers=bad thing, they are even worse with nukes! it is a sad, tired, little theme.
I thought the pace was kinda slow, I imagine a potential series is the reason for that, it really does strike me as a supersized pilot.
The woman didn;t bother me that much, I can see the part she plyed in tonights portion. The whole she can't die thing kinda bugs me though.
If there was one thing I guess I came away from it feeling it was a lack of empathy for the humans and no clear understanding of the cylon plan. Possibly the latter is intentional, but I could care less about these petty, bickering people.. Adama and Apollo fighting.. no sense of hope or family.. no struggle to survive a holocost while maintaining the integrity of the human race.. none of these elements.. which I think are the core of Galactica.. were in the first part.
I didn't think we needed any of the sex scenes.. they were extraneous.. especially the Boomer and Chief one..
Something I noticed and commented on to my wife.. while they reimagined many of the people they eliminated a lot of the multi-cultural aspects of the original.. in this show Colonel Tith is an alcoholic drunk white guy, Adama is latino with a white son, Boomer is an asian female.. I am all for diversity.. but the original Galactica had strong female characters, strong minority characters and while not perfect in any sense had an underlying message of hope and the indomnable determination of the human spirit int he face of overwhelming defeat by an alien enemy..
This on just seems like a rehash of Terminator without the time travel.
Had it been a new series I might have given it a chance, but to hang it on the coat talils of Galactica and call it a resurrection of the series is rediculous.. aside from the vipers, battlestar and the old props they set in the museum for fans of the original there is very little here that will draw me back for a weekly.
Like all relaunches, when this one fails the suits in charge will issue a statement to the fans, you know the people they set out to piss off, saying that in fact no one wanted Galactica to come back because of the poor ratings.. when in fact all they wanted was a new set of stories in a familiar world they glimpsed for one short season way back in the late 70s.
Joss Whedon should have called Firefly Battlestar Serenity if it would have gotten an intelligent and interesting show like that on the air at Sci-Fi.. lord knows I would have watched that with no qualms.
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Mal: "Jane, those damned space toasters are attacking again..prep the Vipers for launch!"
Jane: "What the hell are you talkin about captain.. I'll be in my bunk" (Jane walks off the bridge.)
I didn't think we needed any of the sex scenes.. they were extraneous.. especially the Boomer and Chief one..
Something I noticed and commented on to my wife.. while they reimagined many of the people they eliminated a lot of the multi-cultural aspects of the original.. in this show Colonel Tith is an alcoholic drunk white guy, Adama is latino with a white son, Boomer is an asian female.. I am all for diversity.. but the original Galactica had strong female characters, strong minority characters and while not perfect in any sense had an underlying message of hope and the indomnable determination of the human spirit int he face of overwhelming defeat by an alien enemy..
This on just seems like a rehash of Terminator without the time travel.
Had it been a new series I might have given it a chance, but to hang it on the coat talils of Galactica and call it a resurrection of the series is rediculous.. aside from the vipers, battlestar and the old props they set in the museum for fans of the original there is very little here that will draw me back for a weekly.
Like all relaunches, when this one fails the suits in charge will issue a statement to the fans, you know the people they set out to piss off, saying that in fact no one wanted Galactica to come back because of the poor ratings.. when in fact all they wanted was a new set of stories in a familiar world they glimpsed for one short season way back in the late 70s.
Joss Whedon should have called Firefly Battlestar Serenity if it would have gotten an intelligent and interesting show like that on the air at Sci-Fi.. lord knows I would have watched that with no qualms.
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Mal: "Jane, those damned space toasters are attacking again..prep the Vipers for launch!"
Jane: "What the hell are you talkin about captain.. I'll be in my bunk" (Jane walks off the bridge.)
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