The (new) Immortals Handbook Thread

[Knight Otu]

...the other one.

By the way the above is probably more along the lines of Time, Thought, Spirit, Matter and Fate.

Nr 6 - Space? (Or would that be Matter?) Action?

1020 as far as I can see.
20d6 maximised = 120.
x15 empowerments = +750% (Total 850%)
120 x 8.5 = 1020

IIRC, Empower and Maximize do not "see" each other. An Empower adds half again the random amount (20d6). Maximize does its work on the normal portion of the spell, not the Empowered portion. *checks* Yep, that's what it says in the PHB.

 

[historian]

Hey U_K!

By the way the above is probably more along the lines of Time, Thought, Spirit, Matter and Fate.

IG = space (matter), time (time), thought (mind), soul (spirit), reality (fate), and power (energy?).

Maybe that's more like it? It's the dimensions beyond the initial 6 that really have me puzzled.

I do have to say that the way I have the dimensions set up is quite simply perfection, but you can all make up your own minds soon enough.

Show me man!

1020 as far as I can see.

20d6 maximised = 120.

x15 empowerments = +750% (Total 850%)

120 x 8.5 = 1020

I should really learn to check the core rules to make sure that I have the base spell right.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Heya mate!

Nr 6 - Space? (Or would that be Matter?) Action?

No.

IIRC, Empower and Maximize do not "see" each other. An Empower adds half again the random amount (20d6). Maximize does its work on the normal portion of the spell, not the Empowered portion. *checks* Yep, that's what it says in the PHB.

Whereabouts in the PHB does it say that (I just looked and didn't see it).

Seems you were right though CRGreathouse mate.

Statistically it probably makes sense looking over the figures. Although that Intensify Spell epic feat is just going to bloody annoy me now.

 

[Knight Otu]

It's in the last sentence/paragraph of the Maximize Spell feat description (pg 83 in 3.0/pg 98 in 3.5). The 3.5 one describes it a bit better.

 

[CRGreathouse]

Seems you were right though CRGreathouse mate.

 

[devilish]

So .. IH has gone to the editor. Should I be getting gooseflesh at this
point or go back into hibernation? (please gooseflesh, please gooseflesh!)

[EDIT] Oops.... I didn't see post 206. Wasn't trying to be cheeky, was
honestly getting excited.

 

[Sledge]

Well it's friday again. Are we there yet?

 

[Alzrius]

Hey U_K. Been a while.

I was just checking out the new preview of the IH, and wanted to share a thought I had.

You suggest that Automatic Metamagic Capacity should replace Improved Spell Capacity. Now, in most regards, I agree. However, there's one thing that ISC has that AMC does not. With Improved Spell Capacity, you actually gain the ability to cast spells of a higher level. For example, a Ranger could actually cast 5th-level spells.

Now, ordinarily, this won't mean anything, as there are no 5th-level Ranger spells printed anywhere. But there are examples of spells that can be used in any slot. Namely, the sanctified and vile spells from, respectively, the BoED and BoVD. ISC lets characters with limited spellcasting such as Bards, Paladins, and Rangers cast the higher levels of those, whereas AMC doesn't.

 

[Sledge]

That and Arcane Disciple the feat that lets you add a list of spells to your class list. This would also allow higher level spells than normal if the classes could cast that high. Having said that neither of these options are OGC so it would be awkward for UK to provide a method of dealing with these.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey U_K. Been a while.

Hi Alzrius mate!

I trust you have been keeping well?

I was just checking out the new preview of the IH, and wanted to share a thought I had.

Fire away.

You suggest that Automatic Metamagic Capacity should replace Improved Spell Capacity.

Yes.

Now, in most regards, I agree. However, there's one thing that ISC has that AMC does not. With Improved Spell Capacity, you actually gain the ability to cast spells of a higher level. For example, a Ranger could actually cast 5th-level spells.

Yes but lets look at that logically, what epic Ranger (or Paladin) is going to bother with the Improved Spell Capacity (or Automatic Metamagic Capacity) feat?

You would be better off with a ring of spell storing even.

Now, ordinarily, this won't mean anything, as there are no 5th-level Ranger spells printed anywhere. But there are examples of spells that can be used in any slot. Namely, the sanctified and vile spells from, respectively, the BoED and BoVD. ISC lets characters with limited spellcasting such as Bards, Paladins, and Rangers cast the higher levels of those, whereas AMC doesn't.

Well I don't really want to divulge the secrets of dimensional magic* but it pretty much alleviates the problems you mention, so you could even have Rangers casting high-level Druid spells if you wanted.

*Although secrets is probably too strong a word for what is really simple (think AMC type simple) but really cool ideas. In fact its so simple I wonder why no one else has thought of it before now! Suffice to say its 6 different epic magic system flavours (if you will) all of which can be explained under one feat (as with Automatic Metamagic Capacity or Metamagic Freedom). Thats how easy its is to implement, compare that to the cumbersome epic magic system and theres no contest I believe.

One of the keys to making epic games fun is going to be getting the prep time down to a bare minimum. I think my magic system does just that perfectly. You could even use the dimensional magic feats at non-epic levels, or weave them into prestige classes for added flavour.

...then of course you can combine dimensional magics...and thats when the real high level stuff begins.