The new Star Trek movie is...

[DonTadow]

It suddenly occurs to me that any Trek fan being upset about an "alternate timeline" in the movie is the height of hypocrisy.



If any sci-fi franchise is ripe for "rebooting", it'd be Star Trek... Mainly because alternate timelines and parallel universes are already such a well established plot device within the series.

I've seen this argument, I've also read the one where there are all these indiscreptencies (which is more of a lack of focus by script editor than a continuity issue).

The problem is is that the official star trek timeline is what it is, and what hte movie is producing is some non important timeline that doesn't lead to the awesome TNG or Deepspace nine.

I would have loved to see an actual origin movie made , if he wants to play with what happened before they got on television fine, but crapping on everything that Roddenberry wrote as (it never happened this time in my new real universe). Well that is just aweful.

 

[EricNoah]

At the end of The Fellowship of the Ring, as the credits started rolling, I turned to my wife and said, "See? This is why I like this stuff" and she totally got it. I have a feeling I'm going to get to have the same exchange with her this weekend when I see this film.

 

[Morrus]

At the end of The Fellowship of the Ring, as the credits started rolling, I turned to my wife and said, "See? This is why I like this stuff" and she totally got it. I have a feeling I'm going to get to have the same exchange with her this weekend when I see this film.

Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the LotR movies reinforced Sharon's existing beliefs. And those beliefs weren't positive!

 

[Pbartender]

I've seen this argument...

It wasn't an argument. It was a joke.

Not unlike the time I went to see the opening midnight showing of Star Wars Episode I dressed up in a purposefully poor imitation of a Star Trek Starfleet "redshirt" uniform.

I'm still trying to decide whether I should borrow my son's Darth Vader costume for tomorrow night.

 

[Mallus]

I have no doubt it is going ot be anamazing movie, full of the stuff i like in summer movies. But, like he said, he didn't make a trek movie.

He made an amazing summer movie about James T. Kirk, Mr. Spock, and Leonard "Bones" McCoy (really capturing the essence of the characters). How can than not be a Trek movie?

I'm with the person wh osaid startrek was always about good storyteling, and I've yet to hear anything that sounds like a new story.

It isn't original, but it is good.

This sounds like a retred of First Contact with explosions.

It's very different from First Contact (and better, IMNSHO).

 

[Mallus]

Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the LotR movies reinforced Sharon's existing beliefs. And those beliefs weren't positive!

My wife had the same response...

 

[Brown Jenkin]

He made an amazing summer movie about James T. Kirk, Mr. Spock, and Leonard "Bones" McCoy (really capturing the essence of the characters). How can than not be a Trek movie?

It makes it a big budget piece of fanfiction. Star Trek isn't just about the characters, it is about humanity. The characters are just there to be a sounding board for whatever piece of humanity is being explored.

 

[DonTadow]

It makes it a big budget piece of fanfiction. Star Trek isn't just about the characters, it is about humanity. The characters are just there to be a sounding board for whatever piece of humanity is being explored.

Even if it's kirk exploring Uhura?

This would be like Monte Cooke coming into my game as a player. Monte's a great writer, d&D player and DM I'm betting with a popular reputation and knows what he's doing. But if he came into my universe sat at the table and said ok,
"Ok i don't know anything about your world and how you run it, and i don['t care. I'm introducing a Tiefling/avoral hybrid race whose part wizard and part fighter, he rides in a "green" hovercraft that runs on grass and walks on rollerscates, "

I'd have serious concerns. If he were to explain to me, its ok because he's from an alternate dimension, I still would have problems with it. I really wantedto go see this movie with my dad this weekend, but this week's tirade of Abrham interviews has left me disgusted. He loves saying, thisis not a trek movie, i don't like star trek, this movie is everything the other star trek movies wasn't.

I have to take offense to it. He has annoyed me to the point I can't even enjoy the convuluted Lost anymore.

 

[Pbartender]

It makes it a big budget piece of fanfiction. Star Trek isn't just about the characters, it is about humanity. The characters are just there to be a sounding board for whatever piece of humanity is being explored.

How do you know a piece of humanity isn't being explored in the new movie?

Like I asked above, why can't the movie be both? Does being a big budget action movie necessarily mean that you can't have well-developed characters deep philosophical undertones in the plot?

 

[WhatGravitas]

It makes it a big budget piece of fanfiction. Star Trek isn't just about the characters, it is about humanity. The characters are just there to be a sounding board for whatever piece of humanity is being explored.

Have you seen the film yet? At least I haven't, so I can't really comment on that.

But the "exploring humanity" issue is one that really blossomed during TNG. TNG addressed a lot of themes in a very forward fashion (for its time), TOS was much less about sending a message - the biggest message there was the crew itself, that a coloured officer, an alien, a Japanese and a Russian worked together.

TOS focused a lot more on the characters and how they did work as a crew. TNG was the step afterwards - assuming a working Federation and starting to explore other things and starting the diplomacy and peace approach.

Kirk blew up stuff good. And Wrath of Khan wasn't about humanity, it was about the characters - Kirk and Khan. And one of the best TOS episodes, Balance of Terror, was about a duel between Kirk and the Romulan commander. And from the trailer, I'd say the film is definitely in-vibe with TOS - not so much TNG, but Kirk was no Picard.

EDIT: Also, there is no "humanity" as a single entity. Every exploration of character is an exploration of humanity, varied as the characters are. It's in the characters where we see what decisions we as humans make. If this is done well, if they nailed the Kirk, Spock, McCoy et al. well, then they have represented a lot of things, how alpha males function, the conflict between our ratio and emotions.

Cheers, LT.