The offical ENWorld The Return of the King Extendend Edtion DVD reaction thread.

Joshua Dyal said:
Obviously you've never listened to the Peter Jackson with Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens commentary tracks that run through all three of the extended edition movies. It's very easy to make statements on what PJ did or didn't understand, because it's quite clear from what he says on the commentary tracks.

Or for that matter, most of the other extras attached to the movies.


Yes, I have watched them. But, first that is not the same as knowing and speaking to the person, or being able to read their mind.

Second, what i said was mainly a response to StormRaven's repeated assertions that PJ didnt understand what tolkien was trying to say or do with this that or the other...especially the scene of the ring's destruction. No where in the special features does Peter Jackson state wether or not he understood or was aware of all the subtexts of that scene. Just because he choose (or was made to) alter it from how it was in the book, doesnt mean he didnt understand it. Doesnt mean he did either. That was my point.
 

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Ahhh, the preciousss case arrived today. Of course my sister immediately took it and won't let me see or touch it, but as it's technically hers ... I need a few days of build-up anyway. Watching the trailers, remembering the last years, etc. I wanted to *read* the books again before watching RotK EE, but somehow there wasn't enough time. Still, it will be glorious ... :)
 

Has it been mentioned that Peter Jackson mentions Dungeons & Dragons durring the director/writer's commentary? It happens durring The Paths of the Dead scene. I'm still working my way through the commentaries.
 

Yes precious we likes it my precious.
Except for the stupid Witch King my precious. Yes my love it was very silly, Gandalf the White who has grown more powerful since when he previously defeated a Balrog, the Maia would not be defeated/thrown down so easily by a pesky wraith-slave, no my love he wouldn't. And it is also foolish in the light of the first movie, when Aragorn drive off the Witch King, and 4 other Nazgul, with a torch and a normal sword.

I did think that the cut away from Eowyn vs Witch-King to Army of dead arriving and then back was a bad choice. Let Eowyn have her victory, then let Aragorn arrive.
Also, the climax at the Cracks of Doom needed to be tightened - Frodo lingered to long before turning and claiming the ring, the ring lingered to long before falling in the lava, it was just all half a second to two second too long.
 

Except for the stupid Witch King my precious. Yes my love it was very silly, Gandalf the White who has grown more powerful since when he previously defeated a Balrog, the Maia would not be defeated/thrown down so easily by a pesky wraith-slave, no my love he wouldn't. And it is also foolish in the light of the first movie, when Aragorn drive off the Witch King, and 4 other Nazgul, with a torch and a normal sword


Indeed. I would be interested to know why Gandalf was so drastically downplayed in the last 2 movies.
 

I think that having Eowyn smacked down by the WK and then cutting away to show the black ships arriving was done to bring the audience emotion down to it's lowest level; it looks really bad for the good guys at that point (yeah, if you read the books, you know what's coming, but Jackson was also aiming at people who hadn't read the books... and most of the audience was the latter). Then, the Dead arrive, Eowyn rallies and kills the WK, and the audience is uplifted again....
 

Merlion said:
Indeed. I would be interested to know why Gandalf was so drastically downplayed in the last 2 movies.

I'd wager Jackson would say it was because they felt if he was too tough it would take away from Aragorn or something.

I'm just so glad they didn't do the Sauron vs Aragorn fight they originally planned to do. That would have killed the whole trilogy for me.
 

Flexor the Mighty! said:
I'd wager Jackson would say it was because they felt if he was too tough it would take away from Aragorn or something.

I'm just so glad they didn't do the Sauron vs Aragorn fight they originally planned to do. That would have killed the whole trilogy for me.
Though I agree that I'm glad they didn't do that fight, I loved the image of Sauron appearing on the battlefield in his 'true' form.
 

Allanon said:
I've watched all of the extended material of all three movies where Philipa, Jackson and the actors try to defend some of the changes, but none of them really give any good reasons. I won't argue about leaving out the scouring. Nor the removal of Bombadil. But why does everyone considers FotR EE the best of the three movies? Simple, because Jackson added the least amount of own material to the story.

I more or less agree. I've followed the commentaries (haven't finished the RotK one yet though) from PJ, Phillipa and Fran, simply because I was interested in hearing their excuses for, ahem, butchering the story. :)

One of the biggest changes that really irritated me in the movie was having Frodo send Sam away. They stated two reasons for it: 1) there wasn't enough drama in the Cirith Ungol scenes, and 2) they wanted Frodo to go into Shelob's tunnel alone. The thing is I don't really buy either argument.

More drama? Do they mean more of the hyper-emotional overacting that gets a bit jarring at times? I could have done without that. And yeah, I know nothing really happens for much of Sam and Frodo's journey in the book. That might make for a dull movie experience, but I find the cinematic inventions designed to heighten the drama, i.e., the Osgiliath side trek and Sam being sent home to be such a glaringly huge departure from the story that I can't suspend disbelief enough to enjoy them on their own.

They say having Frodo going into Shelob's lair alone makes it more suspenseful or scary or something. Exactly what was wrong with the original, i.e. Gollum guides them into the lair, and then disappears? How would that not work? See, that's my problem with some of these changes. One minor change is made and maybe it's not a bad change, but then it snowballs creatively, and they find themselves making more and more changes and some of those changes really alter the story.

I also don't like the fact that Denethor is a power crazed lunatic through the movie either, but then he's a minor character, and they don't really have the time to develop the character.

Some people find Tolkien's writing dull, boring whatever. I have to say though, that some of the scenes and dialog he wrote comes off pretty powerfully on screen. There are places in all three movies where PJ gets the stuff right, and it shines. That's what make some of the invented stuff seem so bad, because it doesn't really mesh well with the original stuff.

Gimli losing the drinking contest? Bah. Yuck. God, I hated seeing that. They should have left that scene out. I don't have anything against Orlando, but I got so sick of seeing him protraying some ridiculous uber-elf in these movies. Man, PJ is such an elf fanboy that he lets Legolas shoot him! :)

Why'd they leave Gothmog's death out of the theatrical release? They built him up to be such a hateful, despicable character, that the audience would have definitly cheered there. I haven't gotten this far in the commentary track, so maybe it will be explained.
 

I got it for Christmas and watched it over the holidays. It think overall its great. I wish they didn't have the orcs invade Minas Trias (sp) and put the Lord of the Nazgul scene in the theatrical release. I thought the timing of its inclusion in the Extended version to be a bit off since the orcs where in the city already. It still would have been very cinemnatic to have Gandalf meet him on a horse at the gate.

Also, I'm not sure if Aragorn cut off the head of the Mouth of Sauron in the book?

Just being picky :)


Mike
 

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