The other side of film dissonance...

[Villano]

Has anyone seen Spike Lee's Bamboozled? I have never been angrier with a film than this one. I don't know what emotional reaction Lee was trying to provoke in me, but if making me want to smash my TV in with a drywall hammer was what he was going for, I guess he succeeded.

He's made a couple of movies I thought were OK; Malcolm X was good, if a little long, and I actually really liked Summer of Sam. Apart from these though, I would nominate Lee as Most Overrated Director working today. I love how he whines constantly about how they'll never give him an Oscar. Try making a good movie that doesn't outrage the people you're trying to connect with.

Yeah, I don't really care for Lee at all. He seems to just be a jerk in real life. He goes to basketball games and screams, yells, and tries to pick fights with the players. Have you ever been to any kind of sporting event and had one of these idiots sitting near you? They don't shut up. Ever.

And here's a good one for you, TNN (The National Network, formerly The Nashville Network) is officially changing its name to Spike TV. Lee just filed a lawsuit against them for "unauthorized" use of the word "Spike". No joke.

I wonder if he sued the producers of Buffy?

 

[jdavis]

Yeah, I don't really care for Lee at all. He seems to just be a jerk in real life. He goes to basketball games and screams, yells, and tries to pick fights with the players. Have you ever been to any kind of sporting event and had one of these idiots sitting near you? They don't shut up. Ever.

And here's a good one for you, TNN (The National Network, formerly The Nashville Network) is officially changing its name to Spike TV. Lee just filed a lawsuit against them for "unauthorized" use of the word "Spike". No joke.

I wonder if he sued the producers of Buffy?

Never seen a Spike Lee movie, ok I take that back I saw half of Malcom X (it wasn't bad, just long). His claim against Spike TV is just plain silly (not that the whole idea of calling a channel Spike TV isn't idiotic to start with.)

 

[John Crichton]

They are calling it the "First Network for men." I guess Spike fits. Maybe they just didn't want to call it Pig TV (tm).

They do get props for bringing back Ren and Stimpy however...

 

[Dagger75]

I am going to hijack just a moment. Why doesn't TNN or whatever they are calling themselves right now, sue Spike Lee for taking the name. and considering Spike is not even his real first name. this from the IMDB

Spike Lee was born Shelton Lee in 1957, in Atlanta Georgia


And bring this thread back on topic

So of the movies mentioned I liked, Some I hate

 

[Viking Bastard]

I rather live a Earnest movie than watch Wizard of Oz again. When I was little my mother turned it on every time it was on TV. I cannot stomach anything about that movie anymore.

I hear you.

I've never liked the Wizard of Oz movie. I mean, a musical?
I've always preferred the creppy not-really-sequal Return to Oz.

 

[Kahuna Burger]

They are calling it the "First Network for men."

uhhh.... as opposed to the playboy channel, espn 1, 2 and whatever they're up to, the history (war) channel...

maybe they mean like First Lady or something - an honorific rather than description, but it just sounds silly.

"Wow, a cable station with programming geared towards MEN! What a concept!"

Kahuna Burger

 

[jdavis]

uhhh.... as opposed to the playboy channel, espn 1, 2 and whatever they're up to, the history (war) channel...

maybe they mean like First Lady or something - an honorific rather than description, but it just sounds silly.

"Wow, a cable station with programming geared towards MEN! What a concept!"

Kahuna Burger

The magazine Maxim was supposed to be working on a channel (The Maxim channel?) this was supposed to beat them to the punch. So this is supposed to be the channel for hip male stereotypes I guess. What's funny is that they are planning no major programming changes (they are adding some adult style cartoons late night but that's about it). It's all about car shows and Star Trek and Bond movies and Pro Wrestling.

 

[Fast Learner]

Being asked to relate/identify with a man on the verge of statutory rape.

A man who recognizes that if he follows through on his lust for beautiful young things he would be damaging them. Absolutely something to relate to, something that far too many men never even consider.

But I know I won't have any effect on your view of the film. I just didn't want that portion of the film inaccurately portrayed, as your description of the film ignores the most important think in the entire scene.

 

[Fast Learner]

Re: Re: Some unneccessary comments...

Never saw Chasing Amy or Fast Learner.

The latter is me, and he was referring to Happiness.

The film is no where as... let's say "moral" as I would like, helping us understand and yet disapprove, and it doesn't provide sufficient resolution. I didn't feel that kept if from being very powerful, though.

It's not one of my favorite films by any means, but it's still powerful (though not moving).

 

[Kai Lord]

A man who recognizes that if he follows through on his lust for beautiful young things he would be damaging them. Absolutely something to relate to, something that far too many men never even consider.

So let's give all the 40 year old sickos contemplating whether or not to follow through with their lust for underage females a nice vehicle with which to charge up that lust then offer a caveat that its only wrong "if she's a virgin".

I realize that the message you state was the intention of the director. Horrible, horrible execution. The suggestive flower petal scenes were more than enough to bring us into Spacey's mind on the matter. They didn't need to show Suvari's breasts, or worse, have him wonderfully enlightened with a euphoric grin through the rest of the film upon his epiphany from violating an underage virgin. Did he follow through? And rape her? No.

Violate her? Unquestionably. Cause her lifelong psychological damage? If that were a real life incident, possibly. Since when is exposing a young girl on your path to self discovery "not far enough"? It was too far. Way too far. Sex would have been far worse, but what he did was still very, very bad. Yeah you go Spacey, and everyone who relates to your character's journey. Sickening.

EDIT: Since this movie brings up subject matter I really don't look for on an RPG message board, here's where I check out of this discussion.