D&D General The Purple Dragon Knights are tied to an Amethyst Dragon (confirmed)

[Necropolitan]

Really not clear to me why this would be a change: D&D and the Forgotten Realms have always been at thst comic b9ok level, that's part of the fun.

I'm talking about the use of character death.

 

[TiQuinn]

Sammaster should stay dead.

It'd be one thing if WOTC did what they did with Lord Soth where you're having adventures during times he was alive/undead, but bringing characters back after their final deaths cheapens them.

Even if it’s a character who never featured in a single adventure and lived and died entirely within the lore of setting books?

 

[Parmandur]

I'm talking about the use of character death.

Right, this is D&D. Death us more like a suggestion.

 

[Necropolitan]

Right, this is D&D. Death us more like a suggestion.

Because if a character reaches the natural end of their narrative and that end is death then undoing it is bad.

Deaths never sticking is one of the major complaints about modern superhero media.

It's healthier for the Forgotten Realms as a whole if some stories are allowed to end so new ones can start.

Resurrection isn't as easy in the lore as it is for PCs.

Even if it’s a character who never featured in a single adventure and lived and died entirely within the lore of setting books?

Yes.

The setting is already jam-packed with villains whose schemes would end the world or cast it into metaphorical or literal eternal darkness without bringing back every single major villain who didn't get their own adventure.

As I previously said it'd be one thing if WOTC released an adventure where the PCs are the protagonists of The Rage of Dragons, but bringing Sammaster back is a mistake.

 

[TiQuinn]

Yes.

The setting is already jam-packed with villains whose schemes would end the world or cast it into metaphorical or literal eternal darkness without bringing back every single major villain who didn't get their own adventure.

As I previously said it'd be one thing if WOTC released an adventure where the PCs are the protagonists of The Rage of Dragons, but bringing Sammaster back is a mistake.

I really don’t see any D&D setting as being different in nature from any other fictional universe, akin to a comic book universe where heroes and villains are resurrected all the time. Resurrection, reincarnation, and cloning spells are part of the ruleset. If an author has a good hook, I see no problem.

 

[Parmandur]

Resurrection isn't as easy in the lore as it is for PCs.

Says who?

As I previously said it'd be one thing if WOTC released an adventure where the PCs are the protagonists of The Rage of Dragons, but bringing Sammaster back is a mistake.

So how are they bringing him back...? Ot is this juat a pre-judgement?

 

[Necropolitan]

I really don’t see any D&D setting as being different in nature from any other fictional universe, akin to a comic book universe where heroes and villains are resurrected all the time. Resurrection, reincarnation, and cloning spells are part of the ruleset. If an author has a good hook, I see no problem.

There are over 300 Forgotten Realms novels.

Even if you take out the villains who are in more than one of them, survived the events of the stories, or the ones who got resurrected, the vast majority of villains in those novels died and stayed dead. The same goes for the heroes who died during those adventures.

Also resurrection is not as accessible in-universe for characters as it is for PCs.

In the City of the Spider Queen campaign the main villain is a powerful Cleric but the adventure outright states that only a few villains are likely to be resurrected.

Says who?

Ed Greenwood when talking about the laws regarding resurrection and nobility in the Forgotten Realms on the Candlekeep forums.

It's prohibitively expensive, requires a powerful Cleric, etc.

 

[Parmandur]

There are over 300 Forgotten Realms novels.

Even if you take out the villains who are in more than one of them, survived the events of the stories, or the ones who got resurrected, the vast majority of villains in those novels died and stayed dead. The same goes for the heroes who died during those adventures.

Also resurrection is not as accessible in-universe for characters as it is for PCs.

In the City of the Spider Queen campaign the main villain is a powerful Cleric but the adventure outright states that only a few villains are likely to be resurrected.


Ed Greenwood when talking about the laws regarding resurrection and nobility in the Forgotten Realms on the Candlekeep forums.

It's prohibitively expensive, requires a powerful Cleric, etc.

Still, the rules of the game are the rules of the game...there are always options, and it is in-genre.

 

[Necropolitan]

Still, the rules of the game are the rules of the game...there are always options, and it is in-genre.

No, the setting lore as established by Ed Greenwood is still canon, it's in his contract.

 

[Remathilis]

I could make Drizzt a fairy dragon that explodes into a shower of confetti when he laughs or turn Elminster into the name of a sentient garbage dump, what does that have to do with anything about the setting? It doesn't need the setting designers to indulge my own creations, I can do that myself. It has no bearing on any published book.

Sigh...

Go read the rest of the exchange between me and Scribe. I'm not in the mood to explain it yet again...