The scene I really want to see at end of Return of the King........

[KenM]

The scene I really want to see I know they won't do, but here it is:

This is after the Ring is destroyed and Frodo is reunited with the other memebers of the fellowship.

FRODO: Gandalf, you mean to tell me with your allies, the giant eagles, we could have taken an army of eagles for protection, flew in on the eagles, and droped the Ring in? Instead you have me walk in on foot and I almost get killed? What were you thinking? You called an eagle to pick you up when you were captive on top of Isengard, so I don't know why they could not have helped out more.

 

[hellbender]

I would like to see the very last sequence set in the present, with the elves that still remained here looking at what humanity has done to the planet and start weeping, then leave in swan ships to the Undying Lands.

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[Shadowdancer]

I would like to see the very last sequence set in the present, with the elves that still remained here looking at what humanity has done to the planet and start weeping, then leave in swan ships to the Undying Lands.

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Didn't they already do this in a TV commercial? Oh, wait, that was an American Indian.

 

[LuYangShih]

Ever see that Simpons where they made fun of that? "Whatever you do, don't turn around." On topic, I have given up on the movies being an accurate representation of the books, and do not care for political messages in movies. As long as it is another good action flick, it should be worth it.

 

[hellbender]

Didn't they already do this in a TV commercial? Oh, wait, that was an American Indian.

While I had thought of that as well after I posted, I think Jackson could make the scene really be a tear-jerker.

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[Chain Lightning]

Yeah, KenM, I'm curious to see how they 'interpret' the whole thing with the eagles at the end of RotK. If they do it like the book, then audiences will be thinking the exact same thing you have your Frodo say. But, Jackson, Boyens, & Co. haven't been sticking to the book exactly now have they? Let's hope their writing skills can produce something that makes it less of a plot hole. Or not one at all.

A friend of mine and I were discussing it actually....and we're thinking maybe they'll have it so the reason why the giant eagles were never in consideration for flying a sortie over Mordor is because the 'airspace' over there is patrolled by so many Fell Beasts? Hmmm....dunno.

We'll see.

 

[KenM]

Yeah, KenM, I'm curious to see how they 'interpret' the whole thing with the eagles at the end of RotK. If they do it like the book, then audiences will be thinking the exact same thing you have your Frodo say. But, Jackson, Boyens, & Co. haven't been sticking to the book exactly now have they? Let's hope their writing skills can produce something that makes it less of a plot hole. Or not one at all.

A friend of mine and I were discussing it actually....and we're thinking maybe they'll have it so the reason why the giant eagles were never in consideration for flying a sortie over Mordor is because the 'airspace' over there is patrolled by so many Fell Beasts? Hmmm....dunno.

We'll see.

My thinking is this, The eagles save Gandalf when he was on top of Isengard. Nothing is mentioned about why the eagles don't help out like I say. Either a line said by someone, or you do try to fly in with an army of eagles and try to drop the ring in, but that fails, then they have the reason to go in on foot. But because JRRT has the eagles come in and rescue key characters when its conveniant and not do anything else, its a major plot hole.

 

[Chain Lightning]

My thinking is this, The eagles save Gandalf when he was on top of Isengard. Nothing is mentioned about why the eagles don't help out like I say. Either a line said by someone, or you do try to fly in with an army of eagles and try to drop the ring in, but that fails, then they have the reason to go in on foot. But because JRRT has the eagles come in and rescue key characters when its conveniant and not do anything else, its a major plot hole.

Yah, JRRT would make either a great DM....or a really crappy one. Heh heh. I mean, his NPCs come in and save the day so many times.

Read the Silmarillion? Imagine you and your friends are playing as Beren, Felagund, and companions. You're off to get one of the Simarils. Most of your party dies when they get captured by Sauron. You're buddy Jim looks like his character Felagund might make it out of the whole thing alive with you, but his PC dies too. Then the npc Luthien and her dog Huan comes along and rescues you. After you tell her the rest of the quest is still your responsibility and you will not have her tag along...she insists on coming anyways. You think, well....I am the only one left in the party. You look around and its only you and JRRT at the gaming table. Everyone else, who's PC had died, is over in the living room playing Playstation2.

Okay, you agree to the npc that she can come along. Then when you journey to lair of Morgoth and you're thinking of all these plans on how to get pass all the possible dangers. But before you can do anything. The npc elf girl Luthien does it all for you! She puts to sleep the giant werewolf Carcharoth guarding the gates, she mesmerizes Morgoth and all in his court.

While Morgoth is lulled, you creep up and get a Simaril off his head. Then, like a practical gamer that you are, you think...."hey, let's just get 'em all while we're here!". But JRRT didn't like that idea, he only planned for you to get one Simaril only! He had written this whole huge campaign out involving how the party was going to get the other two Silmarils. That was suppose to take you through a whole year's worth of gaming!

Well, he can't have that. So when you try for the other Silmarils off Morgoth's head you accidently cut him and wake him up! Why is prying a gem off his crown DC 45? Isn't he magically in slumber? JRRT responds with, "Because he's a friggin god Ted.....a god okay?"

No time now to get the rest, you gotta run for it! Flee! You must flee. And so you do. But of course, Carcharoth is awake on the way out and you gotta deal with him. Luthien doesn't do anything, so its up to you. Well, at least YOU are doing something now. But Carcharoth has the higher initiative and JRRT rolled a Critical (or so he says from behind the DM screen ) and your hand is bitten off along with the Silmaril that was holding it. Into the beast's stomach it goes!

Badly wounded and now without an arm (that you'll have to roleplay now)...you get away and retreat to recover. JRRT thinks its a good time to end for the night, and says that you can continue next week. You and your friends say, "Next week? Yah, maybe.....we might be going out that day to ....uhm.....to see the computer fair in Pasedena. Yeah, we've been planning that one for a while now....... well call you when its a good time for us to game again."



p.s. I know that's a gross misinterpretation of the story of Beren and Luthien, but I just twisted it for humor. Tolkien fans...please don't kill me! I love Tolkien too! I swear!

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

My thinking is this, The eagles save Gandalf when he was on top of Isengard. Nothing is mentioned about why the eagles don't help out like I say. Either a line said by someone, or you do try to fly in with an army of eagles and try to drop the ring in, but that fails, then they have the reason to go in on foot. But because JRRT has the eagles come in and rescue key characters when its conveniant and not do anything else, its a major plot hole.

Actually, it isn't THAT bad a plot hole at all. The Eagles were constant friends of Gandalf, and you could aruge that they possibly owed him a favor.

The only thing, though, is that the Eagles can't just fly on forever with heavy loads on thier backs. Also, subjecting the intelligent creatures to that would be doing just what Sauron and the rest of his kind do. Slavery. Its a long stretch...but its the best explanation I've seen made for it.

 

[ArcOfCorinth]

Also, subjecting the intelligent creatures to that would be doing just what Sauron and the rest of his kind do. Slavery.

That's why you ask.