The Worst Prestige Class Awards

Why do i try?

I always love that attitude the associates some type of bohemian eliticism with only playing with core rules. As if to say that the type of extreme variation that can only come about with any rules fidelity from some expansion material must be the mark of the 'powergamer' or the even more laughable 'munchkin.' The stigma attached to these terms of course get inflammatory posters noticed and serves to place those of different views on the defensive, as if they are the ones that have to prove balance or lack thereof.

And to those that who would claim that most(if not all) prc concepts could be accomplished with feat chains, i will say you obviously have a vague understanding at best as to the underlying game theory of D&D. Yes, feats are more flexible, but like the looser skill system to which they owe their heritage, that comes at the expense of balance for feats, and even worse feat chains, tend to compliment each other without associated costs in 'fixed' attributes such as BaB, AC, HP, etc. That is why dnd still has classes and why prcs are a good idea. You couldn't get the type of variation or specialization you have in prcs with feats without leaving room for extreme balance problems, for those abilites would not be tied to poor feat prereqs, lower hit die, etc. Even the so-called 'bland' prcs in S&S have a place because, though you could carve out a similar niche with feats, you could not do so to the degree you can with prcs....
 

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There are a select few Prestige classes that can be done with feat chains. However, most can't. Feats are gained every third level. Few prestige classes gain powers only everythird level. Also, many of the powers vary in strength depending on everything else the class gives. Feats aren't like that. THey all aren't made equal, but the only think that balances it out is prerequites. Many powers from prestige classes would be "broken" because they could be combined with powers from other prestige classes if they were all feats.
 

drnuncheon said:

That's been around a lot longer than Buffy & Angel. I remember it from the G.I. Joe cartoon, and it wasn't new then either. (Heck, it was in Star Wars now that I think about it.)

The blind warrior who fights better than sighted people (because he isn't distracted by the superficial) is quite an old archetype in Asian martial arts folklore.

That would be quite the nifty prestige class to design, actually.
 

drnuncheon said:


That's been around a lot longer than Buffy & Angel. I remember it from the G.I. Joe cartoon, and it wasn't new then either. (Heck, it was in Star Wars now that I think about it.)

J

If you like the concept of the blind swordsman, do yourself a favor and track down the 1964 movie Zato Ichi Abaredako (Zatoichi's Flashing Sword). It's the first in a series and it's incredibly cool. One of the best "gamer" movies I've ever seen.

Scott Bennie
 
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Prestige Classes---BLAH!

I've decided that most prestige classes out there aren't that great at all. No, I'm not looking for an uber-prestige class. Yet it seems like that what you give up for a prestige class, in most instances, isn't worth what you get for a prestige class.

Ulrick
 

Re: Prestige Classes---BLAH!

Ulrick said:
I've decided that most prestige classes out there aren't that great at all. No, I'm not looking for an uber-prestige class. Yet it seems like that what you give up for a prestige class, in most instances, isn't worth what you get for a prestige class.

Ulrick

Actually, I've been amazed on how they balance out. But prestige classes give you something that a core class just can not: Concept. Core classes are general, prestige classes are specific.
 

RangerWickett said:
Anyone have any comments about the prestige classes from Asgard magazine?

Blind Assassin

High Sorcerer

Feyspeaker

Stiltling

Ley Line Magus

Adventuring Scholar

Nevae Wanderer

Taranesti Sword-Dancer

Undead Hunter

Crescent Island Spellsinger

Am I invisible? Was not my class the YEOMAN in Asgard as well?

Jeesh...

:)
 

hong said:


The blind warrior who fights better than sighted people (because he isn't distracted by the superficial) is quite an old archetype in Asian martial arts folklore.

That would be quite the nifty prestige class to design, actually.

The Blind Master- a 5 level prestige class

To be found in The Quintessential Monk, written by me, coming in August from Mongoose Publishing.

Patrick Y.
 


hong said:
Worst-named class ability: Warmaster, for "Die for your country". The first time I saw it, I was thinking "cool, this guy can die for his country 3 times per day!" Then I looked a bit more closely and it was actually the ability to make _other_ people die for their country.

Yeah, I don't think that's quite what Patton meant when he said:

The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.
 

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