D&D (2024) Thoughts on Stealth and D&D2024

[Parmandur]

The rules about line of sight say that a creature can’t see you when you’re in their line of sight…? That’s news to me, and seems to suggest no one can see anything ever…

...?

 

[Charlaquin]

Historically, there's this concept that once hidden you can move sneakily, moving into areas where they'd be able to see you if you weren't keeping to the shadows, etc.

So why not call for the check when someone actually tries to do that, instead of making them do it preemptively?

Mechanically, it's also to give rogues something to do with their bonus action so they can hide then attack and get advantage (and sneak attack). Steady Aim negates a lot of that reason, but this is before that.

Cheers!

Again, though, that could be done when the rogue pops out from cover to make that attack, instead of while they’re still behind cover.

 

[Charlaquin]

...?

If creatures can’t normally see you while you’re in their line of sight, when can they see you?

 

[Selas]

You are making a lot of assumptions about things the text does not actually state. Which is great for you, but I don’t think the rules should leave that up to you to make those assumptions.

Am I? The Hide action says: "Make note of your check’s total, which is the DC for a creature to find you with a Wisdom (Perception) check." All I did was apply that in both cases. Page 19 also says: "The Dungeon Master decides when circumstances are appropriate for hiding", which gives DMs the power to decide based on circumstances. The rules are flexible enough to allow for these interpretations exactly because they can't account for every possible permutation out there or edge cases.

I admit the rules are written in wonky language, but the design intent is clearly there if you use some critical thinking

 

[MerricB]

So why not call for the check when someone actually tries to do that, instead of making them do it preemptively?

Just curious if you've perused the Pathfinder 2 rules on Stealth?

Stealth-as-an-action is a rather odd concept.

Cheers!

 

[Parmandur]

If creatures can’t normally see you while you’re in their line of sight, when can they see you?

Not quite sure how you got that out of anything.

 

[Imaro]

If creatures can’t normally see you while you’re in their line of sight, when can they see you?

I think the argument is that baring magic a creature can easily see anything in their line of sight... thus why a hidden character who moves into the line of sight of another is no longer concealed and has been found.

 

[Charlaquin]

Not quite sure how you got that out of anything.

Right here:

Except nothing says the creature can find you if you’re in its line of sight.

Except the rules about line of sight...?

 

[Charlaquin]

I think the argument is that baring magic a creature can easily see anything in their line of sight... thus why a hidden character who moves into the line of sight of another is no longer concealed and has been found.

But the hide rules DON’T SAY THAT

 

[Parmandur]

Right here:

Right, if a non-magically invisible creature moves into another's line of ight, they can be seen, which is not true of a creature under the invisibility Spell since the invisible condition bestowed by the Spell cannot be ended by nowhere creature finding the target.