D&D (2024) Thoughts on Stealth and D&D2024

[Micah Sweet]

You don't have 360 degree vision....you have the option to choose to see in any direction at any point during your turn.
If you only get one action you get to pick which way you want to face.
If you want to turn north to attack....then turn south to move, then turn NE for your bonus action.....you can. Why? Because there is no facing rule.
Embrace the concept of abstractions. Its a valuable thing.

Or draw a line on exactly where and how much abstraction you're willing to accept, and use/find/design rules that cater to that preference.

 

[KYRON45]

I didn't ask you to write a rulebook, but to explain how you would build a non magical fire under water using the 24 5e rules.

The general rule that you can not build a non magical fire underwater would apply as there is no specific rule that states that I could.

 

[Micah Sweet]

The general rule that you can not build a non magical fire underwater would apply as there is no specific rule that states that I could.

Is there an assumption in 5.5 that you can't do something unless there's a rule that says you can? Or am I misunderstanding?

 

[kayakingpoodle]

I wouldn't have to declare which way i was facing because there are no facing rules.
You declare if your hiding or not and then make your skill check.
That is the entire purpose of this thread. The rules for hiding and stealth are abstract and no one likes them!!!

Then why does it say "if you can see a creature, you can discern whether it can see you." If i can't know which direction you are facing, i.e. you can't see 360 degrees simultaneously.

 

[KYRON45]

Is there an assumption in 5.5 that you can't do something unless there's a rule that says you can? Or am I misunderstanding?

I can't tell if this is a joke or not.

 

[kayakingpoodle]

Yes. This is why there are rules for stealth and hiding.

So where is the specifc rule stating you have this omnivision?

 

[KYRON45]

Then why does it say "if you can see a creature, you can discern whether it can see you." If i can't know which direction you are facing, i.e. you can't see 360 degrees simultaneously.

You win, everyone else must be wrong.
Do i have to sign a release or a certificate that allow you to have won the conversation.
Were just trying to explain the how and whys of things and you just keep asking for more. I think there is a term for that.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I can't tell if this is a joke or not.

You said the general rule that you can't build an underwater fire would apply since there's no rule saying you can. I was being serious, as I don't own 5.5.

 

[kayakingpoodle]

The general rule that you can not build a non magical fire underwater would apply as there is no specific rule that states that I could.

If that is true, why wouldn't there be facing, there is no specific rule that says there isn't, though there's is a generalization rule that it is in the game.

 

[kayakingpoodle]

"
You win, everyone else must be wrong.

Do i have to sign a release or a certificate that allow you to have won the conversation.

Were just trying to explain the how and whys of things and you just keep asking for more. I think there is a term for that."


I'm just trying to understand how there has to specific rules to do somethings and not others.