Tiers Excerpt (merged)

[Jack99]

We know from this preview that there is a divination like ritual "Divination rituals such as Consult Oracle grant access to knowledge they might otherwise not have" and "include more and better kinds of divination, including the ability to spy on distant beings with Observe Creature". Also teleportation is also in "Epic characters can use True Portal to transport themselves instantly anywhere in the world"

I agree that there will be whining about these rituals and/or spells. Wherever it will be justified is another matter all-together.

The mere presence of similar spells will not automatically cause these problems. There are plenty of fixes to spells like scry, teleport and the like, even in 3.5. If made with some thought, there is no reasons why it shouldn't be possible to have them not be a problem for a large number of players. Some will always complain though, but that is after all the way of life.

Cheers

 

[Lizard]

Add in two "at will" powers chosen at character creation and not changed later!

Cheers!

So, there's no higher level 'at will' powers? I missed that. Presumably, the 1st level ones automatically scale?

 

[Jack99]

So, there's no higher level 'at will' powers? I missed that. Presumably, the 1st level ones automatically scale?

Seems like it, yes.

 

[HeinorNY]

So, there's no higher level 'at will' powers? I missed that. Presumably, the 1st level ones automatically scale?

They upgrade at the 21st level.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

So, there's no higher level 'at will' powers? I missed that. Presumably, the 1st level ones automatically scale?

It appears as if they improve at 21st level. I think I saw an example of this in a previous preview/scoop, and the description of starting higher level PCs mentions "don't forget to increase damage at 21st level", too.

 

[Njall]

We know from this preview that there is a divination like ritual "Divination rituals such as Consult Oracle grant access to knowledge they might otherwise not have" and "include more and better kinds of divination, including the ability to spy on distant beings with Observe Creature". Also teleportation is also in "Epic characters can use True Portal to transport themselves instantly anywhere in the world"

Also I never thought that those spells were problematic. its the other people who constantly whined that spells like those ruin their (imo poorly thought out) plot.

The problem, here, is that you don't really know what the cost for these rituals is.
It may be that they're not worth the trouble most times, so while they'd be available, people could use them but not abuse them ( and it was often the case in 3e ).
Furthermore, if the PCs can use those spells but do not need to rely on them it makes a huge difference, IMO.

 

[Lizard]

Seems like all you get for level 30 is a gold watch, a handshake, and a pension, courtesy of your epic destiny.

You can always grind AA until they raise the level cap.

Seriously, I would be VERY surprised if there isn't a 'divine' or 'immortal' tier planned for PHB 2, or PHB 3 at the latest. One of the points of fixing "the math" was to make the game playable across all levels, and the high level monsters we've seen have roughly the same number of combat options as the low level ones.

 

[Jack99]

6. Choose Powers. You know two at-will powers from your class; remember to increase damage if your level is 21st or higher.

I find it slightly odd that at-will powers don't scale at 11th level as well. 2d4+int seems a tad useless, at higher levels. /shrug

 

[hong]

Seriously, I would be VERY surprised if there isn't a 'divine' or 'immortal' tier planned for PHB 2, or PHB 3 at the latest. One of the points of fixing "the math" was to make the game playable across all levels, and the high level monsters we've seen have roughly the same number of combat options as the low level ones.

"Fixing the math" means playable across all levels as presented in the given framework. It does not imply infinite level progression.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Seems like it, yes.

They upgrade at the 21st level.

It appears as if they improve at 21st level. I think I saw an example of this in a previous preview/scoop, and the description of starting higher level PCs mentions "don't forget to increase damage at 21st level", too.

Okay, we're all a bit trigger-happy, here, eh?

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