Time for Ceramic DM? (judge-free commentary thread NO JUDGES ALLOWED AS OF NOW :) )

orchid blossom said:
Secondly, (and I hope this is the right place to ask this) I'm reworking my first round story to see if I can't incorporate all the feedback I've gotten. I decided that after the first section I should switch to Devon's point of view. I don't want to continue in first person, as I think that would get really confusing.

So here's the problem. Should I rework the whole beginning section to put it in third person? It seems like it would be strange to start a story in first person, then change to third person with a different narrator. I like my beginning section in first person, but I don't want the change over to be a jolt.

Or would the change just emphasize the difference in thier personalities? Jeanelle written in first person because she's more willing to let people in, and Devon in third because he's more closed? What do you guys think? I'd appreciate any and all opinions.
I would discourage switching from 1st to 3rd person in a piece of this length, since it would be fairly jarring. I think it could be effective in a longer piece, where one could switch back and forth between points of view. It could also work if Jeanelle's view of the world were especially distinct - getting the audience inside her head, in that case, would contribute to the flavor of the story.

As it stands, though, I'd suggest rewriting the whole piece to be in 3rd person. At that point, you could switch points of view scene by scene, without the style being jarring.
 

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BardStephenFox said:
The thing about this particular pic is that you do a good job describing some of the other pics. Personally, I chalk it up to the early pic use while you are getting into the flavor of the story. Later on, you were probably rolling through it pretty well and the descriptive writing was just coming easier.

Initially, I was having a lot of difficulty figuring out where Derek came from. If there had been a little more explanation of that earlier in the story, I think the story would have a little better flow.

The books are a decent pic use. I think you should put a little more focus on it early in the story. Then, when the letter shows up, the reader feels more empathy with Derek as he opens the textbooks at the end.

There is something about the break-in that just seems a bit flat to me. I am not entirely sure what it is though. I wish I could give something more substantive than that to work with, but maybe something will come to me later.

Derek's uncle seems to accept the broken ankle without any explanation from Derek. I understand that the uncle was a secondary character, but I think putting a little more "flesh" on him would round the story out nicely.
All good points, and the orginal (first draft) of the story actually addressed most of these things. Unfortunately, I was fast approaching 5000 words (the posted version has 4867), and I have a real problem keeping stories short -my latest short story was 18,000 words. Having said that, I'm going to go back and rework Derek and his uncle a bit, and try and spice up the aquarium. The problem with the last, is I don't want to give Derek superheroe powers or make him seem super stealthy, so I am kinda stuck.

Thanks again for the feedback.
 

carpedavid said:
I would discourage switching from 1st to 3rd person in a piece of this length, since it would be fairly jarring. I think it could be effective in a longer piece, where one could switch back and forth between points of view. It could also work if Jeanelle's view of the world were especially distinct - getting the audience inside her head, in that case, would contribute to the flavor of the story.

As it stands, though, I'd suggest rewriting the whole piece to be in 3rd person. At that point, you could switch points of view scene by scene, without the style being jarring.
Not that I'm an expert, but I would have to agree with Capredavid on this. First person is difficult to do, and extremely difficult to do well. Point in fact, last night I tried to read a novellette by a professional author in F&SF magazine. I made it past the first page and most way through the second before declaring, this is stupid. The storyline was good (hence the reason I lasted two pages), but the POV made it almost impossible to understand and get involved with.

Anyway, like I said, I am no expert, and there is no wrong POV. I would just caution against first person, and go with what Carpedavid suggests.
 

RPGgirl said:
Not that I'm an expert, but I would have to agree with Capredavid on this. First person is difficult to do, and extremely difficult to do well. Point in fact, last night I tried to read a novellette by a professional author in F&SF magazine. I made it past the first page and most way through the second before declaring, this is stupid. The storyline was good (hence the reason I lasted two pages), but the POV made it almost impossible to understand and get involved with.

Which story? Just curious.

Zhaneel
 

Zhaneel said:
Which story? Just curious.

Zhaneel
August 2004, The Tribes of Bela

Actually, most of this edition is written in first person, and there was only one story of the works I actually liked. As I said, first person is hard to do, and I think most do not do it well (including myself).
 

Thanks for the comments everyone. I think I will go ahead and rework the first section into third person. I had hoped to avoid the tedium of going through and changing I's to she's and rewording things that won't work in third, but I can live with it. :D

I originally went with first person because I wanted to try something that I hadn't done before, and third person is my preferred POV.

carpedavid said:
As it stands, though, I'd suggest rewriting the whole piece to be in 3rd person. At that point, you could switch points of view scene by scene, without the style being jarring.

Agreed. I think that's the way I'll go.
 
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Greywolf-ELM's Magic Fades

OK, I have been camping out and procrastinating on saying anything about this for a while. It's time to actually say something about the story.

First of all, you have some great flavor and depth to this story. I that aspect very much. You set the stage wonderfully with the description. It helps me sit down and get comfortable with the story environment.

That being said, I think there are some weaknesses here. Partway through the story, you change from past tense. The transition is a bit jarring and you should probably choose a tense and stick with it.

There is also the picture use, which has kept me from commenting for so long. The pictures are nicely integrated into the narrative. Fildon is reading the letters and when I reach the first picture, I am thinking that I now know what the hook to the story is. Then I reach the second picture and I find that there are two hooks, which might be related. By the third hook, I understand that the story really isn't about any of the events in the pictures. When all is said and done, the pictures are just illustrations associated with the setup for the real story.

It isn't that the pictures were poorly used, but I do have to wonder why they would have been illustrations at all. As well, I begin to wonder why the first several paragraphs could not have been summarized as one. Essentially that Fildon received several letters about magical devices he created that are failing. I end up feeling like I have read a very flavorful, lengthy introduction. The first three pics serve to represent the magical devices, but there is no other tension involved. When all is said and done, I don't care if there were illustrations for the items because they really don't tell me very much about the story. The strongest aspect of the items is that they are not weapons, which we later learn is important.

As I said, this isn't a case of poor pic usage, but I don't think the pics provide enough emphasis to your story.

The fourth pic hints at the conflict for the story. The "MONSTER IN HUMAN GUISE" is the reason why Fildon has betrayed his heritage. Yet, we don't really learn much there. We have gone through the setup that Fildon must remember what it is to be a dwarf, but we never find out if he does.

This is all contrasted against the wonderful tapestry of description you have woven. You clearly have a very strong vision of what environment Fildon is in. You have so much implied background and culture that it is fun to read it. By the time I get to the end, I am very much looking forward to Fildon confronting the adversary, whatever it might be. I think that is the problem. You have done a nice job building everything up, but there is no resolution. It reads like a prologue to a story, or to an adventure, or perhaps even a character background, but there is no real ending. There is no confrontation. There is no critical moment of success or failure for Fildon. Every event has taken place in the past, except for the hammer finally telling Fildon to bugger off. In the end, I have very little empathy for anybody in the story, except perhaps the indignation of the hammer. I'm not sure that was your intent.

Overall, this comes across as fairly critical and that is why I have taken so long to post anything. I enjoyed the story very much until I got to the end and realized it was over. I think there are some wonderful elements here that you could use to create a very engaging story if you could bring more relevance to the initial pictures and/or create more tension and the resolution of the core problem. So, I hope I have been helpful, rather than overly harsh.
 

BSF, thanks for the feedback, harsh is fine. This is my first attempt at creative writing, outside of the one D&D adventure I am currently trying to expand, and the Journal my character is trying to keep in another, since the 80's. All valid thoughts, and I hope I can squeak through to the second round to make improvements in my next effort.

I really do appreciate it. Anyone else please, different issues that BSF didn't catch?

Thanks,
GW
 

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