Tome of Treasure and what is "core"- I am a little worried

[dmccoy1693]

Where did you get the idea that ToT is going to be a yearly release?

IIRC, the working title for the book Magic Item Compendium I

Online figures costing extra? I thought that story had been dispelled.

Nope. Last I heard, WotC still maintain they're doing that. Randomized virtual minis.

 

[Firevalkyrie]

IIRC, the working title for the book Magic Item Compendium I



Nope. Last I heard, WotC still maintain they're doing that. Randomized virtual minis.

Nope. Didier Monin specifically said that randomized virtual minis was an idea that had been introduced, bandied about, discussed and dropped.

 

[dmccoy1693]

Nope. Didier Monin specifically said that randomized virtual minis was an idea that had been introduced, bandied about, discussed and dropped.

Well... I haven't heard the latest on that then. Danke (thanks).

 

[IanB]

Randomized virtual minis, out.

Charging for non-randomized virtual minis, pretty sure that's still on the table.

 

[Sammael]

The above is correct. However, while the virtual minis won't be randomized, WotC still plans to sell them at extra cost. Your DDI subscription will only include tokens. THAT's the latest on virtual minis.

 

[Mistwell]

My sincere hope is that the term core is no longer used as a weapon by rules lawyers in the rules forum to declare anything non-core as not applicable to a discussion.

If it is from the same company, using the same version of the rules, and in a paper-published format (or errata on the web for those paper-published formats), it should all count equally. You might choose to not use a particular book, but it shouldn't be considered as somehow "not counting" because it isn't titled Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, or Monster Manual. Particularly for this edition, where we know WOTC is planning ahead and intentionally placing some things they consider important in future books, so as to develop the game in stages.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

IIRC, the working title for the book Magic Item Compendium I

They needed a working title, and they couldn't call it Magic Item Compendium since there already is one of these published. They tacked on a "I" at the end because if they called it Magic Item Compendium II, some might think it would be a follow-on to the current MIC, rather than a 4e book. I think people are reading way too much into a working title on Amazon.

 

[IanB]

They needed a working title, and they couldn't call it Magic Item Compendium since there already is one of these published. They tacked on a "I" at the end because if they called it Magic Item Compendium II, some might think it would be a follow-on to the current MIC, rather than a 4e book. I think people are reading way too much into a working title on Amazon.

There's also the matter that *every other* book of this sort - PHB, MM, DMG - is going to have a new iteration every year. Given that evidence *plus* the "I" in the working title, and the nature of magic items as a sort of infinitely inventable sort of thing, I think the conclusion that they're going to keep releasing volumes of magic items is completely reasonable and is very likely.

 

[IanB]

My sincere hope is that the term core is no longer used as a weapon by rules lawyers in the rules forum to declare anything non-core as not applicable to a discussion.

If it is from the same company, using the same version of the rules, and in a paper-published format (or errata on the web for those paper-published formats), it should all count equally. You might choose to not use a particular book, but it shouldn't be considered as somehow "not counting" because it isn't titled Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, or Monster Manual. Particularly for this edition, where we know WOTC is planning ahead and intentionally placing some things they consider important in future books, so as to develop the game in stages.

I want this, and I want that stupid primary source "rule" to go away with regard to the FAQ as well. They weren't using it that way - the FAQ is very clearly being used to issue actual errata and rulings - so the P.S.R. was just an excuse for hundreds of pointless arguments on the rules forum about whether or not the FAQ applied.

A clearer, better policy with regard to the FAQ/sage rulings is much needed.

 

[Abstraction]

Several details you're missing:

The PHB/MM/DMG are $35 a piece.
The "complete" type book is probably going to cover more power source/role variations. I'm guessing 2-3 per year.
Generic Adventures (non-campaign adventures) $25. Guessing 3-4 per year.
Dungeon Tiles $10
Real Minis $15/pack

That's retail, though. Does anyone pay full retail price?