Zardnaar
Legend
Yes.
D&D 5E Toxicity in the Fandom
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Zardnaar
Legend
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MGibster
Legend
Billy Crystal's portrayal of Jodie Dallas from the prime time comedy series Soap ran from 1977-1981 is the first one I can think of. The portrayal wasn't without its problems, particularly in the first season where Jodie considers sexual reassignment surgery to be with his deeply closeted quarterback boyfriend and he sleeps with a woman and has a daughter with her, but they handled the character better as the series progressed. In the 3rd or 4th season, Jodie goes to court to keep custody of his daughter whose mother has returned after abandoning them both. Jodie's lawyer lays out the truth for him, that as a gay man, there's no way the judge is going to give him custody. Throughout the season, Jodie is shown to be a good father who cares about his daughter and is going to pieces over the thought of losing custody. He's the character we're supposed to empathize with.
I sitll don't know if that was the first portrayal of a positive gay character on American television. It's just the first one I can think of.
Man in the Funny Hat
Hero
Increasingly toxic fans are ultimately the ones who will destroy everything actually appealing regarding any significant IP. I've watched it happen in multiple genres and multiple types of media - TV, film, novels, comics, SF, fantasy...
Ruin Explorer
Legend
I feel like we're seeing it with the MCU these days, though it took a surprisingly long time to really get toxic. There always used to be the odd "the comics were better!" guy (I mean, sometimes they definitely were, but w/e), or weird hyperfan, but now it's like there's a two kinds of really toxic "fan" emerging in the MCU community. Firstly ultrafans who think everything Disney/Marvel do with the MCU is great, and get very very angry with people who disagree (and usually start claiming they're some kind of hater or even bigot), but secondly, I dunno exactly how to call them, but people who liked everything roughly up to and including Endgame (and still like stuff involving characters from before that to some extent), and now are just more and more deeply disenchanted with the MCU and can be very weirdly negative in their opinions about most newer stuff - you see a lot of weird rationalizations about why they hate stuff (like that Moon Knight was "generic", which I mean, there's a lot you could critique about MK, but "generic" doesn't really land, given how wacky it was). Both together are making it hard to even read other people's MCU discussions, because you have to trawl so much fanboying and so much "Ugh this new stuff all SUXXXX".
(And then you have people like me: "Wake me up when the bring the X-Men back!", but I'm not a big MCU opinion-haver because of that.)
Ruin Explorer
Legend
Yeah I thought it was a bit of a mild letdown and not something I'd rewatch but it was a lot of fun to watch in a packed theatre with a very overexcited crowd lol. Not something you see every day in the UK.
Zardnaar
Legend
I only watched Avengers at the theatre the rest were Disney+.
Oh and the Guardians of the Galaxy at mates place.
By the end there was just to many characters I didn't really care about Guardians and Avengers alone were what 10?
Ruin Explorer
Legend
Depends how you count, but it's going to be more like 15-20, I think, in terms of characters we're supposed to care about. That is a lot for sure. That's almost as many as there are starting competitors in the Hunger Games.
Zardnaar
Legend
And I don't think I cared about any of them. I did enjoy some if the earlier solo outings, Avengers and GotG.
Generally wait for them to land on streaming. Think I liked Aquaman and Joker better ymmv.
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