D&D 5E Toxicity in the Fandom

Obviously, it's my fault for reading comments on Facebook, and maybe I shouldn't make that mistake again, but at the same time, it's because I'd isolated myself from people like that, that I had rose colored glasses with regards to the hobby.

I think I'd rather hang out with the Scarlet Brotherhood, some Red Wizards, or Vecna cultists. They seem like more reasonable folk.
I have found that I have a lot in common with MOST role-players I find (any social media and I guess message boards count as that) however I also find that minor differences can cause big rivalries... some I understand (me pushing for more 4e will rub people who hate 4e the wrong way) some I don't (I get accused of weird things and the more I explain that it isn't true the more the thread derails to pointless arguments)

Somewhere around 4e (2007-2009ish) I started to dislike some moderation on these boards and some policies... but the worst day here is easier then the best day on twitter or facebook. I still think of this as "grandma friendly" but I'm not even sure all the posters know what that means anymore.

Having said that this board is no longer the most talked about place in my D&D circles... once it was pretty much a 3 way tie from here the RPG board and the WotC board... when the WotC board closed it seemed like this was THE MAIN talk we had... today we talk about twitter and youtube and tic tok individually more then enworld. In fact 1 player I share in 2 of 3 groups actively says "I don't want to hear about facebook or enworld things" when we talk but has 0 problems with tic tok and is case by case on youtube...

I am sure there is something new that my 13 year old neice uses for social media I don't even know about. I am sure the next generation of D&D players will be there too... and I am sure there will be toxic fans in all of them... so I like it here (even if I complain) but I agree with some social media being
I think I'd rather hang out with the Scarlet Brotherhood, some Red Wizards, or Vecna cultists. They seem like more reasonable folk.
 

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Zardnaar

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According to an interview with all around good guy Takei, he said Gene wanted to address the issue, but couldn't because he was walking a tightrope with the network. I don't think there would have been a chance in hell of such an episode airing in the 1960s. They really couldn't even do it very well in the TNG era.

First positive portrayal of a gay character on US TV was 1990 in Married With Children of all things. AFAIK.

UK had openly gay fab tv character 1989. We got to watch it here early 90's.

Normal/positive gay characters on mainstream tv mid 90's here on prime time TV.
 


Zardnaar

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Hot sauces I find it's how you use them vs how hot they are.

Father in law has gone mad on chilli hot sauces and growing them. So he gets gifted them.

First time I tried Carolina Reaper based hot sauce burnt my ringhole out. Basically bout a bit in a spoon and likcked it.

But it's fine added to soups or used with other sauces. Eg pig in blanket (sausage in bread with onion) I can eat it with some combination of relish, chutney, ketchup, mustard, bbq sauce (pick 3 add hot sauce).

I've had Turks, Arabs and Indians make me their versions of hot not the weaker stuff you get at westernized restaurants and it depends on the dish and what I can handle.

Something like a very hot vindaloo is where I draw the line. No real point burning yourself to the point of hiccups.

Years ago used to help out a Turkish mate at his restaurant. He used to make his own hot sauce for the kebabs. One day he decided to experiment but messed it up and basically virradiated his restaurant. Had to open all the doors to air the joint out as his sauce vapor kinda made you choke. Oops.
 

UK had openly gay fab tv character 1989. We got to watch it here early 90's.
The UK having positive or "just normal people" portrayals of gay characters goes back quite a lot longer than that, like you had Victim from 1961, which was about a closeted barrister dealing with blackmailers (he was the good guy, of course).

There was also a lot of broadly-portrayed-but-beloved gay characters in British media, like Sandy and Julian from Round the Horne (who spoke Polari, even), which I don't think would have flown in the US of that era (again the 1960s).

iNews has a pretty good/in-depth article on it here: A potted history of LGBT characters on British screens

The BBC has a typically self-regarding but in-depth piece on their own output here: LGBTQ+ Timeline

(I think what's particularly sad with the Beeb is the accidentally illustrate they used to be much better on trans issues in the past, before being taken over by a bunch of 50 and 60-something anti-trans ideologues as they since have been. I suppose this too in time will pass.)

Basically positive portrayals of gay characters in British TV/cinema started decades earlier than the US, and reflected considerably more tolerance in UK society of that era, in part I suspect because Britain didn't have much in the way of religious ideological extremists (whereas they're 10-a-penny in the US), and those we did have were on the fringes of society.
 
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Zardnaar

Legend
The UK having positive or "just normal people" portrayals of gay characters goes back quite a lot longer than that, like you had Victim from 1961, which was about a closeted barrister dealing with blackmailers (he was the good guy, of course).

There was also a lot of broadly-portrayed-but-beloved gay characters in British media, like Sandy and Julian from Round the Horne (who spoke Polari, even), which I don't think would have flown in the US of that era (again the 1960s).

iNews has a pretty good/in-depth article on it here: A potted history of LGBT characters on British screens

Basically positive portrayals of gay characters in British TV/cinema started decades earlier than the US, and reflected considerably more tolerance in UK society of that era, in part I suspect because Britain didn't have much in the way of religious ideological extremists (whereas they're 10-a-penny in the US, and those we did have were on the fringes of society.

Yeah they were still using gay jokes well into the 80's though using various terms.

We were watching this here 91 or so.



We were 13, 14 in age. I think the British crudity appealed more than American sap (Young Ones, Bottom, Blackadder, New Statesman etc).

Homegrown stuff mid 80's.

 



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