Tracy Hickman's view of the Dragon #300 sealed section

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*sigh*

I, for one, would like to ask people to keep to the subject. Veering off into partisan discussion of FCC policies won't be constructive.

Let's remember something. These times can be hard on folks of good conscience. And, under pressure, sometimes people do unwise things. Are we to come down on him like a ton of bricks for one mistake? I ask you what's more constructive - anger and indignance that he did something less than wise, or a bit of compassion?

It isn't like Mr. Hickman is a public official, or even terribly famous, as these things go. He writes books, occasionaly pretty good ones. But it isn't like he's a major molder of fashion, who has an implicit responsibility to set a good example. He's just this guy, really.
 

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Tracy Hickman has an opinion. Everyone else has an opinion. I'm not angry with Mr. Hickman for having an opinion I don't share. I am somewhat miffed that he's writing rants when he should be writing material for the 3rd ed. Dragonlance sourcebook.
 

I'd like to add one more point to ruleslawyer's already excellent post (which he may or may not agree with. See, I don't claim to speak for him):

Lately, our society seems to be doing (or not doing) things "for the kids" a lot. Tracy brings up in his rant that there are kids who read Dragon, and that they have the necessary motor skills to pop the seal and read the "adult" stuff. All well and good, but...

Maybe this (BoVD) isn't for the kids.

Maybe, like the Supreme Court once said (and I'm paraphrasing here), if you were to edit a work based on what is suitable for kids, you would not only violate the rights of the adults in the audience (and we are many) by restricting their content to kid-friendly stuff only, but you would also violate the author's right to publish whatever he darn well chooses.

D&D, I'm guessing, is mostly played by adults. More adults have the discretionary income to drop $80 or so on the core Rulebooks and some dice than do children.

D&D is also, at its core, about killing monsters and taking their stuff. Killing and stealing are adult concepts. So if you're a kid that's playing DnD, you're playing at killing monsters and taking their stuff. Whether it gets sicker than that is up to you, but you're already playing an adult game.

So maybe Wizards can produce ONE book and dedicate ONE issue of a magazine for adults.

It certainly sounds comprehensive enough, the BoVD. I can't imagine Wizards is going to say to its customers, "Hey, hold up! BoVD II!! We've discovered more sick things we can do to corpses!"
 

Eosin the Red said:
Holy smokes Batman, that piece above is about the most god awful piece of garbage I have ever seen. I understand outrage. I understand justice. I don't understand hate in this fashion. Help, help, mods?

Click the "Report this post to a moderator." It's the fastest way to get the problem taken care of.
 

Khan the Warlord said:
Yes, Tracy probably DMs a wonderful bit of Bunnies & Snowflakes.


Well wouldn't THAT far. But that's just me.

Khan the Warlord said:
How can I not take this to the extreme that I have when I see the "great" Tracy Hickman place industry professionals like Monte Cook and Jesse Decker in the same light as Osama Bin Laden and terrorism?

How could anyone not take it offensive ly? I can only imagine how the people he branded this way must feel when they read this.

I was very much looking forward to the new DL 3e and Soveriegn Press products -- but no more.

Ever.

Well that's your veiw Khan and I DO respect it. That being said, the best way to RE-ACT to something like this is NOT react. Whether or not Hickman is intending to get a rise out out of people, I say "Let's not give him the satisifaction." Instead, let's just judge him on his merits as a designer for this hobby. So far in 3rd I'd say he's got a ways to go.
 

I didn't know Mr. Hickman was a mormon, but that doesn't enter into my lack of interest in him and his body of work. Frankly, I'm not surprised by his rant. After reading some of his other "opinion" material a long time ago, I figured he was a radical fundamentalist only slightly to the left of Bob Larson.

I disagree with his moral sensibilities--and his gaming sensibilities. Have you read that essay of his on morality in gaming? Screw that. I think anyone who gets that self-conscious about morality in the games they run is misguided.

Consider this: if you're confident that you're a moral person, that should show up as a fundamental component of the games you run WITHOUT you having to put it in there. His suggestions sound stilted, awkward, and preachy.

As far as his overreaction goes, well, it's nothing we haven't seen on these boards. The only thing missing is the mention of soccer moms. I'm fundamentally unimpressed with that kind of screeching and wailing.

(note: I am not slamming mormons, fundamentalists, or Tracy Hickman. Bob Larson is a sick lunatic, though. I'll say that for free.)
 

Apparently terrorism has fallen a long way from the old days. Today's prime target is the small Christian role-playing audience. Mr. Hickman is entitled to his opinion, but I am insulted by his cheapening of 9-11. The event has nothing to do with Dragon Magazine and gaming. At least Dragon didn't try to sell the issue by striping the cover in red, white, and blue.

Sure, they probably shouldn't have sent the article out to everyone, but he didn't have to read it either. I get vile Chrisitian propaganda hung on my door knob and placed into my mailbox all the time. You know what I do, I cringe and throw it away. I don't read it! He should've thrown the magazine away and asked the publisher for a refund.

Not everything is made to a Mormon's taste because not everyone is a Mormon. If you choose a stringent life-path, you must filter for yourself. Don't expect people from a different path to filter for you. Because you're mature enough to filter for yourself, mature enough to make a decision whether you view content. That's why it's called mature content--not that the writing inside is mature but that mature people can decide what to do with it, can look at it and say, "Well that's really cool," or "Well, that was all sinful." Being a mature person, Mr. Hickman decided he didn't like it and good for him.

Now, I must say, I have a little personal boycott of my own and it started long before this: I won't read books written by Mr. Hickman. I read a couple and having studied myth and literature for years now, I can see his Christian views seeping all through those stories. Now a writer's views always seep through a story, but here I mean seeping in a way that makes me feel uncomfortable, like he's trying to convince me of something or tell me how life really is. I'm not a Christian, and I find Christianity offensive. So I do the mature thing and avoid his books.

I'm not surprised by his statement. If you look at his website and his views on role-playing, as a gamer you should be offended. He thinks there's only one way to play games and that's just not true. He can have a good morality play if he and his players want that, but the rest of us don't have to play it that way. Most Christians grow more and more conservative as they age and he seems to be another one. Look at Orson Scott Card for example. He's one of the best writers out there in my opinion but I just can't stomach his books like I used to. And the stuff on his website . . . I just don't go there anymore.


I'm still confused as to how 1 issue out of 300 ruins it all. Wait, I guess it's because you only have to sin once to go to Hell or something like that.

You know, he makes it sound like no one else has ever worked to improve D&D's image. And like someone said before, people who thought it was evil back in the day still think it's evil now. Do you think cleaning it up actually changed the minds of people who showed that it was evil by misunderstanding and (illegally in some circumstances I've seen) misquoting the text?

And sorry, but I've never seen a D&D book with Comics Code Authority stamp on it. I don't think the major comics companies even use that drivel anymore.
 

Thorntangle said:
The equation of what-you-don't-like with terrorism is really starting to piss me off. It reeks of the witchhunt and is a cheap way to intimidate people into silence. And if people keep doing this, the terrorists will have won :p
I SO agree! Terrorism has become a shield behind which any position can be held. It seems that anything can be done in the name of defense against terrorism, and, as if by magic, noone can dare complain.

That's the only thing I wouldn't forgive in a blink to mr. Hickman. The rest, I dismiss because it's just a rant.



My position is simple: noone can tell me how I have to play! Not WotC, not mr. Hickman, not anyone else. So anyone who takes offense to the closed section of Dragon or to the BoVD is free to take all the offense he wishes but not to say that the material shouldn't have been printed, or that I shouldn't play evil PCs - that's nothing but censorship.
 


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