Trying to make dual-wielding a bit better

[Scion]

Edit: Anyone has a houserule without using feats to adress this?

Change twf to improve automatically as you gain the prereqs for the other feats.

Change expertise to give +2 ac for each -1 to attack while dual wielding or a weapon and sheild (only if sheild is held, not animated.. hey, if they make animated shields still cause spell failure then I'm not going to let those useing animated shields gain any beanies either)

Power attack still works with light (or offhand) weapons but at half value (same as the already there str damage bonus)

Expert TWF: gain a +2 to hit with all weapons while twf

Expert sheild use: give up one point of ac from your shield bonus (carried/equiped shields only) to gain +1 to attack for the round. Max of 3 points transfered per round.

 

[Grayhawk]

Change twf to improve automatically as you gain the prereqs for the other feats.

Change expertise to give +2 ac for each -1 to attack while dual wielding or a weapon and sheild (only if sheild is held, not animated.. hey, if they make animated shields still cause spell failure then I'm not going to let those useing animated shields gain any beanies either)

Power attack still works with light (or offhand) weapons but at half value (same as the already there str damage bonus)

Expert TWF: gain a +2 to hit with all weapons while twf

Exper sheild use: give up one point of ac from your shield bonus (carried/equiped shields only) to gain +1 to attack for the round. Max of 3 points transfered per round.

Some good ideas here.

Do people generally agree that letting TWF improve automatically wouldn't be overpowering?

What level should 'Expert TWF' be?

 

[Scion]

What level should 'Expert TWF' be?

I guess it should have prereq's, but I gave it none. Not even twf actually, though it should probably have that one.

 

[DeBhaal]

Expert Two Weapon fighting
You are masterful in wielding two weapons.
Prerequisites: Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus in wielded weapons, Dex 15+, Str 15+, BAB +9 or higher
Benifit: Grants a +2 on attack bonus when wielding two weapons.

I think this works well ...

 

[Scion]

Expert Two Weapon fighting
You are masterful in wielding two weapons.
Prerequisites: Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus in wielded weapons, Dex 15+, Str 15+, BAB +9 or higher
Benifit: Grants a +2 on attack bonus when wielding two weapons.

I think this works well ...

12th level rogue? The bab req wouldnt hinder a fighter too much, but that is a long time to wait for the poor rogue Perhaps 6 bab? then he just has to wait until level 9 or so.

 

[DeBhaal]

I did that because of the fact that Improved TWF was +9 BAB, and a friend of mine suggested putting at that.

 

[SylverFlame]

I think that if two weapon fighting were on a growing mechanic, where it gets better with certain pre-reqs and not feats, then why not base the whole mechanic on the fighting styles that dragon has released from time to time? Those tend to balance out pretty well when you start adding more feats.

EDIT: Removed sig.

 

[DeBhaal]

If I had that Dragon issue .. then I might have gotten that idea .... as the case happens to be, I jes' yoinked the House Rule from Scion, and maybe changed a couple things.

 

[FrankTrollman]

Note that in 3.5, ITWF has a requirement of BAB +6.

Not that it matters, each iterative attack is worth less than the one before it. In order to be a "Two Weapon Fighter" in D&D you'll pretty much have to take all the successive feats - and as previously noted it's a state of diminishing returns. So in standard 3.5 land - a TWF character is forced to use a feat every five levels for maintenance which he gets nothing for relative to the Greatsword Fighter.

It really hurts. A lot.

-Frank

 

[DeBhaal]

Originally posted by FrankTrollman
Note that in 3.5, ITWF has a requirement of BAB +6.

So it does ... I hadnt noticed that. I didnt think that WotC had gotten smart and lowered it with 3.5e .. still not enough help, but anyway.