TSR TSR3.5 Launches IndieGogo Campaign to "Stop" WotC

The latest in the TSR3 saga, which has gone quiet for a while, is a new IndieGoGo campaign launched to "stop Wizards of the Coast". They cite wrongful bullying of TSR, and refusal to answer requests that WotC show TSR "proof of their claims" (although the campaign page doesn't mention what those claims are). The IndieGoGo campaign was launched yesterday and has so far raised $675 (at the time...

The latest in the TSR3 saga, which has gone quiet for a while, is a new IndieGoGo campaign launched to "stop Wizards of the Coast". They cite wrongful bullying of TSR, and refusal to answer requests that WotC show TSR "proof of their claims" (although the campaign page doesn't mention what those claims are).

The IndieGoGo campaign was launched yesterday and has so far raised $675 (at the time of writing).

The action TSR seeks is a "Trademark Declaratory Judgement of Ownership" which is a court declaration about the status of something in dispute.

TSR has launched a campaign to stop Wizards of the Coast

Become a Champion of TSR and Support TSR’s campaign against Wizards of the Coast!

TSR is taking a stand against Wizards of the Coast (“WOTC”) and its wrongful bullying of TSR, our trademarks, and its public libeling and slander of all those who helped create TSR based Dungeons & Dragons and products.

Wizards of the Coast has continually bullied TSR regarding TSR’s legally owned Trademarks. Wizards of the Coast has refused to answer all of TSR's repeated requests that they show any proof of their claims. Wizards of the Coast has the vast resources behind them and is implying to bring them to bear down on TSR.


The new TSR suffered widespread pushback when it launched, which they blamed on WotC, claiming that they were under a "coordinated assault across various channels being mounted.... by [WotC]" The company announced itself earlier this year, having acquired the TSR trademark after the previous holder accidentally let it lapse. It was run by Ernie Gygax, Justin LaNasa, and Stephen Dinehart. After several weeks of controversy, the company split into two -- Wonderfilled (Stephen Dinehart), and TSR (Ernie Gygax and Justin LaNasa).


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The page also indicates an intention to "fight to have WotC's legacy product disclaimer removed" from older products (that's the disclaimer on the older books available on DMs Guild which indicates that those books are products of their time) by claiming that the disclaimer portrays the creators of those older products as "as supporting those alleged prejudices, stereotypes and bigotry, wrongfully claimed to be part of those products".


TSR will also Fight to Have the WOTC Legacy Disclaimer Removed

TSR is suing WOTC for Trademark Declaratory Judgement of Ownership . TSR will also pursue in the near future having WOTC remove the legacy content disclaimer placed on TSR based Dungeons & Dragons and other products, and retractions of any other libel and slander which alleges that racism and other heinous beliefs are incorporated into those products.

This disclaimer attempts to make a statement of fact argument, and therefore paints all of the writers, editors, artists and consumers of those products as supporting those alleged prejudices, stereotypes and bigotry, wrongfully claimed to be part of those products. This statement by Wizards of the Coast opens the possibility for the producers and players of these "Legacy Products" to face ridicule, and face the labeling as "bigots", "racists", "misogynists", and worse Cyber & Physical Attacks!

Wizards of the Coast legacy content disclaimer.

"We (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end".


TSR3's Justin LaNasa spoke about the campaign in a YouTube video.


 

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Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Supporter
Is that an invitation?

No. It is just recognition of the point that you are making use of a shared virtual space to get more readers - people who you'd not ever have contact information for to e-mail them. You connect with people here ever day without e-mailing them, texting them, making a video call, or whatever. EN World is just a small, subject specific facebook.

The overall utility of such a thing comes with burdens - like a need to monetize the thing. And how you get some real gems of numbskulls and jerks from time to time.
 



Sacrosanct

Legend
Uh huh. That's certainly true of places like, say, google (which is also extremely problematic).

But if you are seriously trying to compare Facebook to these other companies, then you are either missing the point, or deluding yourself. That's okay- we all tell ourselves the lies we need to in order to make things okay, and we all draw the lines we need to when things aren't okay.

If you think that Facebook is just fine and dandy for you, and that is a tradeoff you can live with or ignore, that's fine. The world is complicated and hard to think through ...
Hey. I don't appreciate the inferences that I'm deluding myself or am not smart enough to understand complicated things. So you need to back off a bit.

I literally just got done telling you I saw firsthand how all of this data and code interacts and works together (personal info collection and sharing, targeted advertising, etc) because I was going to lead part of that project on the banking side, so I know fully well how it works. And yeah, it sucks and needs to change. And I am very glad my company said "screw that" to them (mostly based on risk and not moral grounds, but I'll take what I can take). But because someone disagrees with you is no grounds to call them delusional.
 



Faolyn

(she/her)
Now that you mention it, the first part of your post actually applies to me as well. I haven't followed this stuff on my own, and would know NOTHING about it if it wasn't popularized on this board.

Brings the question of whether making stuff like this news is helping or hindering.

I do go to several other message boards, though I haven't noticed such great interest in this story on them.
I actually got this on my google newsfeed on my phone, but that could just be because I'm on ENWorld a lot.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Hey. I don't appreciate the inferences that I'm deluding myself or am not smart enough to understand complicated things. So you need to back off a bit.

I literally just got done telling you I saw firsthand how all of this data and code interacts and works together (personal info collection and sharing, targeted advertising, etc) because I was going to lead part of that project on the banking side, so I know fully well how it works. And yeah, it sucks and needs to change. And I am very glad my company said "screw that" to them (mostly based on risk and not moral grounds, but I'll take what I can take). But because someone disagrees with you is no grounds to call them delusional.

1. What I do is an implication. What you do is an inference. I did not imply what you are inferring.

2. I did not call you "delusional," instead I have made my position quite clear. That you wish to defend facebook is also clear. As I implied, we all make compromises in society- whether you choose to identify them, whether you defend them, or whether you laugh them off ... that's your call. I eat meat, even though I know its bad for the environment. You defend facebook, even though ... well, whatever you need to say. You do you, I do me.
 

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