Tumbling

[Rystil Arden]

Well, neither of those are actually defined actions... so it's not clear if either of them provoke by themselves...

-Hyp.

'Strue. Purely from a balance perspective, I would say this would be fine. You can get up and still do something, but suffer AoOs, or you not do anything but rise and let your opponents have their turn and hit you anyway.

 

[OldAzzDM]

Mobility doesn't apply - it only applies to AoOs for movement, not AoOs for standing from prone.

but isn't standing up a move equivalent action. if so there is you movement action. so i think mobility should apply

 

[RillianPA]

... that provokes an AoO.

-Hyp.

I think you are mistaken here. While I cant actually find the rule, I believe that free actions do not provode AoOs. For example, a Quickened Spell does not provoke. In fact, I cannot find a free action that does provoke.

On a side note, I have always houseruled that Tumble could be applied to a crawl.

 

[ThirdWizard]

It says "when you move." A Move action is not moving. You have to actually be taking movement for it to apply. This doesn't have to be part of "normal movement," however, so it applies to Bull Rushes, falling, and any other type of movement that can happen in the game. But, it still won't help you with move actions.

 

[ThirdWizard]

In fact, I cannot find a free action that does provoke.

[Hypersmurf]
Using Rapid Reload to load a crossbow.
[/Hypersmurf]

 

[isoChron]

you stay in your square, you don't move anywhere you just switch your orientation inside the square.
So no move, only a move (equivalent) action. See Hypersmurfs hint to loading a crossbow...

If you load a crossbow you move bodyparts around but stay where you are. Nobody would say it's a move.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

In fact, I cannot find a free action that does provoke.

Apart from Hyp's example, under the rules from Complete Adventurer, standing up from prone as a free action with a DC 35 Tumble check also provokes an AoO.

Alternatively, from the Epic Level Handbook:

Free Stand: The character can stand up from prone as a free action (instead of as a move-equivalent action) (also with a DC 35).

 

[OldAzzDM]

If you load a crossbow you move bodyparts around but stay where you are. Nobody would say it's a move.

Moving bodyparts you move bodypart to get up. example: if you on your stomach you move your hands on the floor to push youself up in order to get your legs under you in order to stand up. Sorry, But I don't buy the moving bodyparts theory. all most anything you do you have to move bodyparts.

 

[RillianPA]

[Hypersmurf]
Using Rapid Reload to load a crossbow.
[/Hypersmurf]

Ok. Thank you for finding an exception. But note that they SPECIFY that it provokes an AoO, despite the fact that normal loading of a crossbow already provokes.

Reloading a crossbow still provokes an attack of opportunity.

This implies that making it a free action would otherwise make the action not provoke.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

This implies that making it a free action would otherwise make the action not provoke.

No, it doesn't. It's just a friendly reminder.

There is nothing about Free Actions which says they do not provoke AoO.

Rather, on the contrary:

FREE ACTIONS
Free actions don’t take any time at all, though there may be limits to the number of free actions you can perform in a turn. Free actions rarely incur attacks of opportunity. Some common free actions are described below.

If free actions "rarely incur attacks of opportunity," then logically they sometimes must. Otherwise, the sentence would read "Free actions never incur attacks of opportunity."