TWD : Coda [SPOILERS}

[trappedslider]

Those bastards killed off Beth and made Daryl cry! well now that's out of the way..what an end to the front end of the season.

I knew something was going to happen to Beth, and once she slipped the scissors up her cast that sealed the deal. She was right she was being used by almost everyone while she was there.

That's all i really have for now...once i get over Beth's death i should have more to say

 

[Umbran]

I... found the episode kind of boring. Unfortunately, I didn't care much for Beth, and I didn't care about the people in the hospital. So, i was not terribly invested in what happened.

So long as it is that Daryl is crying because he effectively lost a little sister, it'll be okay.

 

[Dog Moon]

I... found the episode kind of boring. Unfortunately, I didn't care much for Beth, and I didn't care about the people in the hospital. So, i was not terribly invested in what happened.

So long as it is that Daryl is crying because he effectively lost a little sister, it'll be okay.

I actually agree. It seemed like the entire episode was just a build up for about a five second ohmygosh moment! And everything happened so easily until the stabbing that there wasn't any tension buildup and there wasn't a cliffhanger...

I kept thinking that maybe Beth would convince the cop lady to change and like amend her ways, but since it looked like no one was willing to leave with Rick's group, none of the hospital people were willing to change at all and they all just wanted to remain bad people.

And poor Bob. If only he would have stayed he wouldn't have gotten hit by a car and shot in the head.

 

[Ryujin]

I... found the episode kind of boring. Unfortunately, I didn't care much for Beth, and I didn't care about the people in the hospital. So, i was not terribly invested in what happened.

So long as it is that Daryl is crying because he effectively lost a little sister, it'll be okay.

I don't know whether it's by design or accidentally, but after season 1 TWD has started to remind me of an old saying; War is months of boredom, punctuated by moments of extreme terror. Oddly enough I liked the last few episodes more than I have most of the preceding season, though I'd be hard pressed to say why.

 

[Janx]

Tyrese got Bob's leg eaten by not killing that dude like he said he did.

Tyrese got Beth killed by suggesting the hostage plan, which meant dealing with Dawn, instead of just killing all the cops.

It's all Tyrese's fault.

 

[trappedslider]

I do wonder if it's possible for TWD to go one season without killing a main character....

 

[Ryujin]

I do wonder if it's possible for TWD to go one season without killing a main character....

Have you seen "Z Nation"? I don't think that show can go an episode without killing or losing a main character.

 

[Umbran]

I kept thinking that maybe Beth would convince the cop lady to change and like amend her ways, but since it looked like no one was willing to leave with Rick's group, none of the hospital people were willing to change at all and they all just wanted to remain bad people.

Not all of them are bad people. Some of them are victims of bad people. But they are all, as far as they can tell, *safe* bad people. Change is scary. Change with hungry zombies outside should be outright terrifying, should it not?

And poor Bob. If only he would have stayed he wouldn't have gotten hit by a car and shot in the head.

Apparently, the writers have a thing against guys named "Bob". So, new saying - "Don't be that guy. Don't be... Bob."

Tyrese got Bob's leg eaten by not killing that dude like he said he did.

Tyrese got Beth killed by suggesting the hostage plan, which meant dealing with Dawn, instead of just killing all the cops.

It's all Tyrese's fault.

Which is, in my mind, part of the problem with the series at the moment.

Past seasons have, by in large, been about how these folks manage to survive because they retain some of their humanity in the face of the inhuman. Now, we start seeing that trying to retain a shred of decency as a problem. I'm not sure that's a show I'll continue watching much longer. If the protagonists are no better than the Walkers, why bother watching their story?

 

[Janx]

Which is, in my mind, part of the problem with the series at the moment.

Past seasons have, by in large, been about how these folks manage to survive because they retain some of their humanity in the face of the inhuman. Now, we start seeing that trying to retain a shred of decency as a problem. I'm not sure that's a show I'll continue watching much longer. If the protagonists are no better than the Walkers, why bother watching their story?

Keep in mind, that anything a human does is an aspect of "humanity"
A human can't lose their humanity without some serious gene therapy. The Termites were no less human than Rick's crew. They were just more evil.


I wouldn't say that a person can't remain decent in the ZA. But I suspect that line may seem hard to hold.

Fact is, Ender's Game taught us all that you fight your enemies once. You must kill your enemy with no mercy, or they will take any delay in doing so and use it against you.

That does not mean you go out seeking to make new enemies or that you shoot everybody you meet. Or that you set up a Sanctuary that is really a trap so you can eat people. Or that you "rescue" people by hitting them with a car and then making them slaves.

 

[Umbran]

Keep in mind, that anything a human does is an aspect of "humanity"
A human can't lose their humanity without some serious gene therapy.

Well, sure, if you decide to use a different definition of "humanity" than I am, everything comes up neat and clean.

The Termites were no less human than Rick's crew. They were just more evil.

I'd say the cops in the hospital were human, but more evil. The Termites had lost that which largely differentiated them from the Walkers, and thus had lost what I am calling "humanity" here. To use the Ender terminology - You can negotiate with raman. You can't negotiate with varelse. The cops were ramen (still utlanning, really), but rapist, abusive jerks. The Termites were slipping away from being raman, and were on the way to being varelse.