Two Weapon Fighting question

Nareau

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If a 17th level ranger makes a full attack with two light weapons, and has Combat Style Mastery in 2-weapon fighting, how many attacks does he get, and at what bonuses (assume BAB only, no other feats, magic, or other modifiers)?

Normally, the attack routine would go: +17/+12/+7
With TWF: +15/+15 (offhand attack)/+10/+5
With Improved TWF: +15/+15 (offhand attack)/+10/+10 (second offhand attack)/+5
With Greater TWF: +15/+15 (offhand attack)/+10/+10 (second offhand attack)/+5/+5 (third offhand attack)

My confusion arises from Inproved TWF, where it says, "In addition to the standard single extra attack you get with an off-hand weapon, you get a second attack with it, albeit at a -5 penalty." Is that -5 penalty in addition to the -2 penalty you get from using two weapons in the first place?

Nareau
 

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Nareau said:
Is that -5 penalty in addition to the -2 penalty you get from using two weapons in the first place?

Yes.

Effectively, your ITWF attack at -5 and your GTWF attack at -10 mirror the two iterative primary attacks you get at BAB -5 and BAB -10, to which the -2 penalty applies as well.

-Hyp.
 

Normally, a 17th Ranger will get +17/+12/+7

Now, with Imp TWF and Gtr TWF with 2 light weapons it becomes +15/+10+/5 (main) +15/+10/+5 (offhand).

Imp TWF will add in a 2nd attack (BAB - 2 (twf) - 5)
Gtr TWF will add a 3rd attack (BAB - 2 (twf) - 10)
 

Yes, you are exactly right. The extra attacks granted from Improved (at a -5 penalty) and Greater (at a -10 penalty) Two Weapon Fighting stack with the standard -2 penalty for Two Weapon Fighting with a light weapon in your off-hand.

You said your Ranger is using two light weapons. For example's sake, let's say he's using a Light mace in his primary hand and a Dagger in his off-hand.

When making a full attack action, your character would have the following options (assuming no STR, DEX, or feats give you bonuses to hit):

Full Attack with primary hand only: +17/+12/+7/+2
Full Attack with TWF: +15/+10/+5/+0 (light mace) and +15 (dagger)
Full Attack with Improved TWF: +15/+10/+5/+0 (light mace) and +15/+10 (dagger)
Full Attack with Greater TWF: +15/+10/+5/+0 (light mace) and +15/+10/+5 (dagger)

I hope that helps.
~Dragon-Rider

***Edit - Had a brain-fart and forgot about the 4th attack that a 17th level Ranger would have. That's fixed now. Thank you ElectricDragon for pointing that out.
 
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A 17th level Ranger would get +17/+12/+7/+2 full attack primary hand only.
TWF:+15/+10+/+5/+0 Primary and +15 secondary light
ITWF: +15/+10/+5/+0 Primary and +15/+10 secondary light
GTWF: +15/+10/+5/+0 Primary and +15/+10/+5 secondary light.

Ciao
Dave
 

Two Weapon Flurry of Blows

Okay...now that is settled...what about this. My player has a monk with a +2 quarterstaff. He strikes at a +7 normally. If I am doing this right can he do this?

Normal Strike: +7 for 1d6+5
Normal Strike w/Flurry: +5/+5 for 1d6+4 each
Two Ended Strike: +1/-1 for 1d6+4 and 1d6+3
Two Ended Strike w/Flurry: +1/+1 for 1d6+4 and -3/-3 1d6+3

Is this right? With a flurry of blows and using both ends this monk can get four attacks?
 

Aries_Omega said:
Okay...now that is settled...what about this. My player has a monk with a +2 quarterstaff. He strikes at a +7 normally. If I am doing this right can he do this?

Normal Strike: +7 for 1d6+5
Normal Strike w/Flurry: +5/+5 for 1d6+4 each
Two Ended Strike: +1/-1 for 1d6+4 and 1d6+3
Two Ended Strike w/Flurry: +1/+1 for 1d6+4 and -3/-3 1d6+3

Is this right? With a flurry of blows and using both ends this monk can get four attacks?

If his total is +7 (this is including BAB, Str, enhancement bonus on the weapon)

Normal Strike: +7 for 1d6+5 (assuming wielded as a 2H weapon)
Normal Strike w/Flurry: +5/+5 for 1d6+4 each
Two Ended Strike (using TWF): +5 (primary) for 1d6+4 and +5 (off-hand) 1d6+3
Two Ended Strike (using TWF) w/Flurry: +3/+3 (primary) for 1d6+4 each and +3 (off-hand) for 1d6+3
 


Aries_Omega said:
Is this right? With a flurry of blows and using both ends this monk can get four attacks?

No he can't. If you combine Flurry/Greater Flurry with Two-Weapon Fighting, you'll only get the bonus attack(s) for Flurry once.


Thus, you'd attack at +1/+1 and -3, very, very bad indeed. Why do you think he decreases damage output on a flurry (1d6+4 vs. 1d6+5 normal) ?

Apart from that, just a hint: It helps to speak in BAB numbers when questions of multiple attacks are to be disputed - for an attack of +7 might also denote "BAB +7" for an extra attack at +2 et. al.
In your case, the Flurry example shows that it has to be a low-level monk, but that doesn't help with other classes.
 

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