Undead subject to sleep?

[Fallen Seraph]

Hmm... I imagine some undead would still fear somethings. I can see a wizard casting a Fear spell that causes an illusion in the shape of what the target fears most and for the undead that is of the Raven Queen ready to carry it back down to the Shadowfell.

I think any undead with a lick of intelligence or even not, and just instinctual will fear that which keeps it "alive".

 

[Fallen Seraph]

I could get behind either/both of these. Consciousness or motor control would depend on whether it affects incorporeal undead I suppose. Thinking about it, I like the idea that it suppresses consciousness the best; it fits with the name of the spell and is believable. It seems that even formerly non-sentient undead now have some sort of consciousness.

Yeah, plus I think especially with skeletons it be interesting to see the consciousness (I like this idea more then mine) leave them and their bones simply fall to the ground in a heap but when the consciousness comes back they reform.

 

[Dragonblade]

Yeah, plus I think especially with skeletons it be interesting to see the consciousness (I like this idea more then mine) leave them and their bones simply fall to the ground in a heap but when the consciousness comes back they reform.

Thats cool. I like the visual of that.

 

[Dragonblade]

The new body, soul, animus paradigm for 4e works out well too. Sleep could be a spell that affects the animus and thus it affects living and unliving creatures equally.

In living creatures, they have a soul so while the animus sleeps the soul keeps active, hence dreams. But in unliving creatures, they simply lose consciousness and go into a dreamless torpor while the animus is suppressed.

 

[Crashy75]

Hmm... I imagine some undead would still fear somethings. I can see a wizard casting a Fear spell that causes an illusion in the shape of what the target fears most and for the undead that is of the Raven Queen ready to carry it back down to the Shadowfell.

I think any undead with a lick of intelligence or even not, and just instinctual will fear that which keeps it "alive".

That works for me. I had noticed earlier that the undead don't seem to have an immunity/resistance to "mind-whateveristhe4eterm" or psychic damage. Still, it will take some getting used to if zombies can be charmed or dominated. I don't have a problem with it, but it'll take some getting used to. Really, I never liked the whole, "the connection to the negative plane protects the minds of the undead" explanation. Magic is magic after all. Why can’t it interfere with undead sensibilities as well. I have to say, I'm really glad they are subject to psychic damage.

 

[Fallen Seraph]

The new body, soul, animus paradigm for 4e works out well too. Sleep could be a spell that affects the animus and thus it affects living and unliving creatures equally.

In living creatures, they have a soul so while the animus sleeps the soul keeps active, hence dreams. But in unliving creatures, they simply lose consciousness and go into a dreamless torpor while the animus is suppressed.

Hmm... This also works for undead creatures that have retained some aspect of their soul, ie: vampires. Thus why they have dreams while in torpor.

Now though, would Sleep if it affects the animus, would it work on creatures that only have a Soul, ie: Spirits.

 

[Crashy75]

The new body, soul, animus paradigm for 4e works out well too. Sleep could be a spell that affects the animus and thus it affects living and unliving creatures equally.

In living creatures, they have a soul so while the animus sleeps the soul keeps active, hence dreams. But in unliving creatures, they simply lose consciousness and go into a dreamless torpor while the animus is suppressed.

Very good then. And I think other mind spells/manifestations will also affect the animus. I’m liking this.

 

[Doug McCrae]

I have no problem with this. It's magic sleep.

What I do find weird is that in 3e mind affecting spells have no effect on undead whether they have minds or not. I think skeletons and zombies should have been immune but not vampires, mummies and the like. The same goes for intelligent plants.

 

[Incenjucar]

This also saves us from all those stupidly redundant spells like "Hold Undead."

 

[Exen Trik]

The new body, soul, animus paradigm for 4e works out well too.

Maybe I'm just not paying enough attention, but where did this info come from? This is the first time I've seen the term "animus" come up concerning 4e.