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Underworld not getting good reviews...

Needed better characters and screenplay. The plot itself wasn't bad, and the acting was pretty solid. The CGI was fairly fake, though. Kate Beckinsale reminded me a lot of Trinity in the Matrix, except she was actually hot. Hubba-hubba on that one, at least.

I liked it well enough.
 

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Dark Jezter said:
Frankly, I can't stand Harry Knowles. I think the man is an idiot who likes to tell everyone his life story in every single review, and there is no rhyme or reason to his tastes in movies; he'll sing praises of mediocre movies because he likes one or two elements about them, and then he'll write long rants about great movies because there was a scene or two he felt should have been left out. Not to mention that his articles read like they were written by an excitable seventh-grader who got hold of an HTML book and web space.

So, yesterday I slept quite long, and then I went shopping. I bought some of these crackers that I like to eat when surfing, because today I was gonna plunge right into the swampy depths of AICN, a website that has been getting some nice reviews in the past.
Ever since I got my first computer in 1976, I have been fascinated with the concept of the internet. People coming together, talking and communicating from all over the world. Today, in the time of spam e-mails and sex sites, this dream has made way for a slightly sleazier reality. Gone is the dot.com hype, and with it numerous sites of futuristic prospect.
So, make of AICN what you will, I have formed my opinion.[/SIZE=4]

You mean like that? :)
 

ForceUser said:
I liked it too. It's not an Oscar-winner, and the guy who played Kraven was a positively awful actor, but other than that I found this movie to be enjoyable. And that was a good twist at the end!
Kraven was awful but I think a better director could of made him look better, he just came off all wrong. The guy who played Raze came off like a big goffball but since the character was supposed to be that way I guess he did a good job of acting like a musclebound idiot. The two werewolf police officers were awful too but I sort of liked the creepy little scientist werewolf. I'd call Bekinsale and Speedman's performances flat but I really liked the head werewolf.
 

I just got back from seeing it. Fairly good, but I probably will not buy it when it comes out on DVD. The scenes were good, very evocative at times, and really did capture much of the 'Gothic Punk' :) atmosphere; I'll have to remember a lot of them when I run Vampire next time.

Nope, didn't like Kraven. The actor.. just didn't give me that sense of ambition mingled with fear at losing his position that I thought he'd have. And I didn't really like some of the scenes with Victor; all stately elegance at times, others, just.. odd. The final combat scene was... somewhat anticlimatic to me.

I like Michael, I like Selene.

The #1 thing that keeps it from being more that 'that was cool' in my opinion was that they break their own rules. They go to all the trouble to get the Elder blood, but then Selene's bite does the same work. Selene says, when she still thinks Micheal is human, that biting him would just kill him. Yet she was made a vampire by Victor (Unclear on this; maybe only Elders can turn people, but the blonde chick seems to think Selene is capable turning him when Mike is first brought to the mansion). The lycans forget their amazing 'UV bullets' in the final battle. (OK, I could give them that if they were truly using the WoD; WoD werewolves are not great tacticians).

Again, like several other movies I've seen, it looks like about five minutes of exposition got left on the floor somewhere.
 

WayneLigon said:
The #1 thing that keeps it from being more that 'that was cool' in my opinion was that they break their own rules. They go to all the trouble to get the Elder blood, but then Selene's bite does the same work. Selene says, when she still thinks Micheal is human, that biting him would just kill him. Yet she was made a vampire by Victor (Unclear on this; maybe only Elders can turn people, but the blonde chick seems to think Selene is capable turning him when Mike is first brought to the mansion).
They didn't break their own rules. Michael's blood was to be merged with the Elders' to help the conspirators augment themselves, or create a new race. They didn't want to augment Michael, he was just a donor. Selene's bite just completed the process for him.

And Selene told him a bite would kill him because to her knowledge, no one had ever survived a bite from either species. She just guessed wrong. That doesn't mean the film broke its own rules. Selene's feelings were growing for Michael anyway, so you'd expect her to err on the side of caution.
 
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Kai Lord said:
They didn't break their own rules. Michael's blood was to be merged with the Elders' to help the conspirators augment themselves, or create a new race. They didn't want to augment Michael, he was just a donor. Selene's bite just completed the process for him.

And Selene told him a bite would kill him because to her knowledge, no one had ever survived a bite from either species. She just guessed wrong. That doesn't mean the film broke its own rules. Selene's feelings were growing for Michael anyway, so you'd expect her to err on the side of caution.
Lucian said the blood was to turn Michael into a Abomination, Michael already had the pure bloodline as the decendent of the "third son", but he needed the vampire blood of a elder to become both Vampire and Werewolf (he got the were wolf part when Lucian bit him). At the end Selene bit him because he was going to die otherwise, they didn't break a rule there the people involved got desperate, being as Lucian and Michael were both dying, they had to risk it). I don't know if they eventually said they were going to try to turn all the werewolves but I am pretty sure it was stated that the elder blood was to turn Michael.

When Selene told him a bite would kill him in the car she already knew he was bitten by a werewolf, she said that nobody could survive being bitten by both (she didn't know anything about bloodlines or history at that time). In the movie a bite from either group turned you into that group a bite from both groups would be fatal, unless you were of the original bloodline, like Michael was (also like the ancient vampire who was awoken by werewolf blood at the end, they made a point in the movie to say he was a direct decendant of the original vampire).
 


Kai Lord said:
And finally we get back to the glory (or should I say gory) days of American Werewolf in London and The Howling with bone-popping prosthetic werewolf transformations. Oh there was a little CGI, but it was very sparing, and used quite appropriately, such as when the Lycans were running along the walls. Everything else was convincing and cool on-set make-up effects.

I'm pretty sure the werewolf transformations were CGI. That said, i think they're the best werewolf transformation effects I've seen so far.

I liked the movie quite a bit, too. I was pleasantly surprised. Kate B is gorgeous, the cinematography was cool, and it had a nice juicy story. Thumbs up.
 

Droogie said:
I'm pretty sure the werewolf transformations were CGI.
I do believe that some CGI was used during the transformations, but only to morph from actor to various degrees of prosthetic make-up, as opposed to the full CG transformations of an American Werewolf in Paris or The Hulk. Underworld benefitted from some fantastic live-action make-up with CGI only used to make the transformation seamless.
 

Another review:

Grade: B+
Verdict: A riveting fantasy film, drunk with Gothic stylings and dripping with bloody battles between vampires and werewolves.

By BOB LONGINGO
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

It might be enough that Kate Beckinsale struts through some of the dour netherworld of “Underworld” in the sexiest, tightest, blackest, leatheriest cat suit you've seen this side of “The Matrix's” Carrie-Anne Moss.
But this movie is more than that. The surprisingly fine, involving “Underworld” echoes the muscular feel of “Aliens,” the relentless speed of “The Terminator” and the architectural colorlessness and operatic anxiety of “Dark City.”

To boot, it's got vampires fighting fang to claw with werewolves. How cool is that?

The ultra-Gothic “Underworld,” from first-time director Len Wiseman, far surpasses the bloodier, vampire-riddled “Blade” and is just plain artfully cool — as cool as a movie can be that imitates “Matrix” battle scenes as much as this one does. That will bother many a special effects fan.

Like Keanu Reeves and crew in “Matrix,” the svelte, ice-tempered vampires do walk resolutely in dark leather and sport super-long overcoats. They fire terrifically sleek revolvers that spit monster bullets in slow motion at their hulking prey. They do slo-mo back flips. They leap off skyscrapers to land gently on their metropolis' dingy streets.

Like too many action-adventure movies, all this could be way too much “Matrix”-ology. But “Underworld” is wilier than most, sidestepping all its obvious connections to the modern-day mother of all action films.

Partly, that's achieved with its first on-screen transformation of a human figure into a ferocious werewolf. Many may be reminded of “An American Werewolf in London,” but, simply put, it's awesome.

There's more. A vampire simultaneously flicking two whips. Bloody massacres in a sewer and on a train. Secret human experiments. “Underworld” just keeps churning and bellowing and swirling, flipping its Shakespearean story line and hurling violence, until a viewer simply can't stop watching.

Beckinsale, in a role that's the exact opposite of her unsure nurse in “Pearl Harbor,” is often mesmerizing as the stalwart Selene, the vampiric la femme executioner. She hunts werewolves who sneak about in human form.

Her story is wrapped in centuries of conflict between vampires and werewolves. For both sides, genocide appears to be the final solution. Into the fray falls Michael (Scott Speedman of TV's “Felicity”). He's simply a man, but he's being tracked by the werewolf hierarchy for mysterious reasons.

As Selene investigates, she develops a relationship with Michael that threatens her own vampire coven.

Sounds very comic book, doesn't it?

“Underworld” is. It's mythic and medieval, a deep, dark graphic novel wrapped in the filmy veneer of celluloid.

Director Wiseman sometimes does overstate his movie, in which human characters too often conveniently disappear. There are too many full-of-itself close-ups, too many operatic enunciations from its tortured characters. Even too much length. (At just over two hours, the movie seems slightly stretched.)

But there's more to say about a film that, after its opening narration, begins with a riveting subway shootout and gripping chase that closes with a seamy character spouting, “You're acting like a pack of rabid dogs.”

Fans of “Seven,” “Fight Club,” “Aliens” and the Orcs of “The Lord of the Rings” will likely chant, “Show us more.”
 

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