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Looks like Spelljammer and/or Planescape is back on the menu!

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I have come around to thinking there should be a +1 bonus to un-proficient saves at level 11, scaling to +2 at 14, +3 at 17.

 

[Parmandur]

I have come around to thinking there should be a +1 bonus to un-proficient saves at level 11, scaling to +2 at 14, +3 at 17.

Steps a bit on the Bards toes, possibly?

 

[Campbell]

Yeah. Saves are a big issue to me. Not really before level 7, but now that we are level 15 it's a bit ridiculous how bad our bad saves are compared to enemy spellcasters.

 

[Chaosmancer]

Reading your posts, it did sound like your position, because I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong) it looked like you wanted Spelljammer/Planescape in one book.

I don't care if they publish them in one book, but it does seem more likely that they will do a combined setting of Placescape and Spelljammer, maybe even adding Star Frontiers, instead of having two incredibly similar settings released as two different books.

But that isn't prefering one to be published and the other, not, it just seems like the most likely move.

 

[Chaosmancer]

Not really speaking to you at all, but to the calls for "Planejammer" as a hybrid of the two, which are present in this thread.

Does that somehow mean that people don't want one of them and prefer the other? A lot of people have been saying that they merge seamlessly and did when they first came out (I don't think that is exactly true, but I can see it working as I said) but I didn't see anyone saying anything like "X is better, and so Y shouldn't be published" which is what people were responding too.

Unless it is someone who is blocking me making that claim?

 

[Chaosmancer]

Largely because it makes it way easier for specific factions to control trade. It's like the troll sitting on a bridge demanding a toll... if the troll doesn't like you, or you don't pay the toll, you can't pass.

It doesn't prevent trade, but it puts limits on it that do not exist for Spelljamming (or at least, are harder to enforce for Spelljamming).

I'd agree with harder to enforce in terms of Spelljammer, but you just mark up the price to account for the Troll. And make sure that the Troll likes you enough.

I guess I don't see this as a big deal because generally IRL one of two things happened. The troll was a 90 lbs weakling who was bowled over and the company took the bridge. The Troll was a 800 lbs super troll who everyone played nice with and made very very wealthy. The Factions are clearly not weaklings, so people are playing nice with them, but that isn't much different than having to play nice with the Kingdom who controlled that section of the river, or the Port City that was the next safe harbor on the journey.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Steps a bit on the Bards toes, possibly?

Not really, IMO. Closer to the Monk’s toes, but even that isn’t really there because what the Monk gets for says is waaaay better.

 

[Parmandur]

Not really, IMO. Closer to the Monk’s toes, but even that isn’t really there because what the Monk gets for says is waaaay better.

The Bard literally gets that, though: half-proficiency bonus for non-proficient rolls.

 

[Parmandur]

I don't care if they publish them in one book, but it does seem more likely that they will do a combined setting of Placescape and Spelljammer, maybe even adding Star Frontiers, instead of having two incredibly similar settings released as two different books.

But that isn't prefering one to be published and the other, not, it just seems like the most likely move.

OK, I expect that both included in the broader cosmology of D&D, if that's what you mean. But they aren't similar, and don't cover the same ground, so I see no reasont hey would mix them. Each is sufficiently distinct to support a full product with close to zero overlap. No Planars in Spelljammer, after all.

 

[Parmandur]

Does that somehow mean that people don't want one of them and prefer the other? A lot of people have been saying that they merge seamlessly and did when they first came out (I don't think that is exactly true, but I can see it working as I said) but I didn't see anyone saying anything like "X is better, and so Y shouldn't be published" which is what people were responding too.

Unless it is someone who is blocking me making that claim?

TBH, I suppose someone posting here might have you on block...?

They fit together the same way each fits with Ravenloft: different places with different elements, but can be connected as desired.

There is no necessary conflict between them, and I expect to se each in their own products sooner rather than later.