unfortunately not Finally settled, sunder and attacks of opp

[Nail]

The table entry is irrelvant. Text takes priority over table entries.

...so long as there is a discrepancy between the table and the text.

There isn't.

 

[bestone]

So if something is a Standard Action, you "can do it", even if the action you try to do it in isn't a Standard Action?

Yes, if the text gives you a stituation in which you can

Example, on the table, supernatural abilities are listed as standard actions. But you dont go by the table, you go by the text, and some supernatural abilties, are not standard actions.

 

[IcyCool]

I ask you too, icycool,

Rergardless of anything else, put everything else aside for the moment
and read sunder

"You can use a melee attack to"

On attacks of opportunity, you get a melee attack.

More specifically, "an attack of opportunity is a single melee attack"

Now let me get this correct

Your argument is that sunder is a standard action, And you must be able to use a standard action for the text to work, right?

Unless otherwise specified (like in trip and disarm), yes.

That is where im asking for proof, no where does it say that, It says under each special attack how it works, it doesnt say ONLY IF YOU HAVE the action listed in the table can you do this.

Right, and the Sunder actions text is not clear on how it is used. I can't use my single melee attack from an AoO for an "Attack" action, either.

 

[bestone]

...so long as there is a discrepancy between the table and the text.

There isn't.

The text for sunder says you can use a melee attack to sunder

An attack of opportunity isnt a standard action, but is a melee attack, which you can use to sunder

Either there is discrepency and you ignore the table and go by the text, or its irellevant as it clearly states how you sunder under sunder.

 

[bestone]

Right, and the Sunder actions text is not clear on how it is used. I can't use my single melee attack from an AoO for an "Attack" action, either.

Your logic is flawed, sunder says you can use a melee attack

attack of opportunity doesnt say you can use a melee attack for an attack action.

 

[Nail]

The text for sunder says you can use a melee attack to sunder..

Are there other kinds of attacks that can't be used to sunder?

.....

 

[IcyCool]

Your logic is flawed, sunder says you can use a melee attack

attack of opportunity doesnt say you can use a melee attack for an attack action.

Oh? Don't you use a melee attack in an Attack action?

 

[bestone]

Are there other kinds of attacks that can't be used to sunder?

.....

Do you disagree that the text for sunder clearly states that "You can use a melee attack"?

 

[bestone]

Oh? Don't you use a melee attack in an Attack action?

what does that have to do with anything?

Under sunder, it tells you what you can do with it

Under attacks of opportunity, it tells you what you can do with it

attacks of op say you can use a melee attack

Sunder says you can use a melee attack to sunder

Where are you getting confused?

 

[Nail]

Do you disagree that the text for sunder clearly states that "You can use a melee attack"?

Nope.

Do you disagree that being a melee attack doesn't determine what kind of action it is?