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InShambles

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jsaving said:
Monk has been confirmed as a striker, and the designers said at D&D experience that the label "martial striker" is at least 50% wrong for the monk, which means he isn't martial.

Cool. Maybe:
Monk - Ki Striker
Samurai - Ki Defender
Shugenja - Ki Leader or Controller
 

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Fallen Seraph

First Post
fafhrd said:
Divine Striker. Oh how the hordes will howl. :lol:

Actually that could look really cool awesome.

I can just imagine a guy with no armour, charging through a crowd of monsters, slashing out with his longsword calling out the name of his god. Each wound glowing and burning the monster.

He fights with his eyes closed, letting the whisper of his god guide he feet and sword, allowing him to deftly dodge strikes against him.

At higher levels he could even gain say a per-encounter ability where ethereal wings seem to propel him along as he cuts his bloody-path through the enemies before dissipating into nothingness.
 

Atlatl Jones

Explorer
MorningStar said:
The Monk is either a Martial <non-striker>
or <New Power Source> Striker.

I am leaning toward a new power source such as Ki or Chakra for the Monk.
The monk could be a psionic striker. There's been some speculation that the PH2 will have martial and psionic heroes, and the monk could fit right in.

I hope that the monk class works as well when armed as unarmed. Kill the swordsage and take its stuff. Maybe, as a rogue can choose between being an artful dodger or a brutal scoundrel, and fighters can choose between focusing on a 2H weapon or sword and shield, monks can choose between unarmed and armed.
 

Celebrim

Legend
Druid is a Primal Leader. I don't see how they can pull this off as a Striker, but that's the rumor.
Shaman is a Primal Controller.
Necromancer is an Arcane Leader. I believe that this later one was confirmed, but I don't remember where I saw that information.
 

fafhrd

First Post
No contention on that point. I was merely laughing wickedly at the thought that after years of players begging for a skilled, unarmed warrior that kicks people in the junk, WotC up and makes a new version of the ascetic guy with a grab bag of weird abilities and saddled with quasi religious overtones.
 

Lackhand

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Celebrim said:
Druid is a Primal Leader. I don't see how they can pull this off as a Striker, but that's the rumor.
Shaman is a Primal Controller.
Necromancer is an Arcane Leader. I believe that this later one was confirmed, but I don't remember where I saw that information.
I've seen Necromancer as Arcane Leader a few times now, but I think it's fan speculation.

I think it's pretty good fan speculation, mind you! ;)
 

drothgery

First Post
jsaving said:
Druid has been all-but-confirmed as a primal striker, and the designers have explicitly said on several occasions he won't be a controller.

Barbarian has been confirmed to share a power source with the druid and has been called "nature's equivalent of the paladin" in 4e.

Since I don't recall seeing anything anywhere that would make the druid a striker (we know they can could cast spells, and focused on shapeshifting, as of R&C), isn't a lot more likely that it's ...
Barbarian - primal defender
Druid - primal leader
... which would, you know, actually give barbarian and druid the same relationship as paladin and cleric.

My major shout out to anyone trying to guess at new classes for new power sources is that there's absolutely no reason to believe WotC has any intention of 'filling out the grid' or in any way distributing classes evenly. PH1 features 3 strikers, 2 defenders, 2 leaders, and 1 controller, and features 4 martial classes, 2 divine classes, and 2 arcane classes. And while it looks very likely that future materials are going to 'fill out the grid' for the arcane power source (with the bard and swordmage), we haven't even seen a hint of a divine striker or controller from WotC, and they've said straight out that they think a martial controller is unlikley. So new power sources could easily double -- or triple -- up some roles and leave others uncovered.
 

MaelStorm

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CONFIRMED FOR FORGOTTEN REALM PLAYER'S GUIDE
Swordmage (Arcane/Striker)

FAIRLY CONFIDENT CLASSES
Artificer (??/Controller)
Barbarian (Primal/Defender)
Bard (Arcane/Leader)
Druid (Primal/Striker)
Illusionist (Arcane/Controller)
Monk (Psionic/Striker)
Necromancer (Arcane/Controller)
Sorcerer (Primal/Controller)
Psion (Psionic/Controller)
Psychic Warrior (Psionic/Defender)

WILD GUESSES
Beguiler
Favoured Soul
Shaman
Shugenja

FAIRLY CONFIDENT RACES
Changeling
Gnome
Half-Orc
Warforged
 
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Falling Icicle

Adventurer
jsaving said:
Druid has been all-but-confirmed as a primal striker, and the designers have explicitly said on several occasions he won't be a controller.

I'm very disappointed by this. They might as well just call it the "Shifter" if all it can do is turn into animals and maul. I want a class that invokes the primal powers of nature to entangle his foes in vines, call down lighting from the sky, cause earthquakes and control animals. If WotC won't make a proper Druid, I guess I'll have to make one myself.
 

I think the psionic classes will be divided up as:
Psion (controller)
Psychic Warrior (defender)
Lurk/Soulknife (striker)
Ardent {looting the Divine Mind's auras} (leader)

Some powers are going to be called surges, vaguely based on the Wilder's Wild Surge. Psionic Focus will probably be the name of the Psychic Warrior's method of "marking" enemies to fill their defender role. Ego Whip, Id Insinuation, Psychic Crush, Mind Blast and the other former "attack modes" are probably the at will powers of the psion.

It's possible that the Monk also could be a psionic striker, since there's already 2 martial strikers.
 

MaelStorm

First Post
Kobold Avenger said:
I think the psionic classes will be divided up as:
Psion (controller)
Psychic Warrior (defender)
Lurk/Soulknife (striker)
Ardent {looting the Divine Mind's auras} (leader)

Some powers are going to be called surges, vaguely based on the Wilder's Wild Surge. Psionic Focus will probably be the name of the Psychic Warrior's method of "marking" enemies to fill their defender role. Ego Whip, Id Insinuation, Psychic Crush, Mind Blast and the other former "attack modes" are probably the at will powers of the psion.

It's possible that the Monk also could be a psionic striker, since there's already 2 martial strikers.
I agree, psionic need a shake up.
 

jsaving

Adventurer
I agree with those who think the druid would have made a good controller. An entangling-and-weather-controlling class would have been much more interesting than a guy with a small collection of melee buffs we'll call "animal shapes." On the other hand, this does make clear the link to the barbarian, who will be a guy with a small collection of melee buffs we'll call "feral rages".

Regarding the druid's role, all we KNOW from the designers is that the druid won't be a controller. They've never explicitly ruled out defender or leader, though in the latter case it's hard to see how the act of wildshaping could bestow leader-ish bonuses on other party members.
 
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Fallen Seraph

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Perhaps though this opens the way for a Shaman as a Primal-Controller. Since if you use the model from the PHB. There will be 8 classes, as far as we know the probably only definite are:

-Bard
-Druid
-Monk
-Barbarian
-Necromancer (maybe)

And any of those could actually wind up in other books, so why not have a Shaman.
 

Irda Ranger

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Falling Icicle said:
One possibility is that some classes in the future may not be confined to a single role.
No class, even in the PHB1, is perfectly confined to one role; the Paladin can Heal, as you note. But Mearls has specifically said that you won't see any class that is strong in more than one Role. Allowing such a class would nerf all the other classes in both of those Roles.

And the other lesson they've learned is that the Jack-of-All-Trades always ends up being the fifth wheel with no clear contribution to the group. The philosophy is: Pick A Role And Don't Look Back.

Atlatl Jones said:
How do we know [the Monk is] not striker? IIRC, the races & classes book, or one of the designers, said that with the monk's emphasis on fast movement it's an archetypal striker.
That's not inconsistent with Controller though. A Monk that can go anywhere and Trip/Knock Prone anyone, with impunity, is effective at controlling the battlefield. Also, we already have two Martial Strikers.

Of course, the Monk may not be a Martial class at all if they come out with a Ki-Power or similar.

But wait ...

jsaving said:
Monk has been confirmed as a striker, and the designers said at D&D experience that the label "martial striker" is at least 50% wrong for the monk, which means he isn't martial.
I trust you mean that the Monk is confirmed as a Striker other than from the above quote? Because "50% wrong" could mean Martial Controller.

Like fafhrd, I am hoping for a "secular" Monk.

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My own guesses:

Martial Controller: None. Mearls described this as "theoretically possible." 4E is also avoiding needless symmetry, so there won't be a power-role combo in every slot.

Arcane Defender: Swordmage
Arcane Leader: Bard

Shadow Defender: Hexblade
Shadow Leader: Death Knight (they won't call it that)
Shadow Striker: Assassin (old school, baby!)
Shadow Controller: Necromancer

Primal Defender: Barbarian
Primal Leader: Enchanter
Primal Striker: Sorcerer
Primal Controller: Druid

Psionic Defender: Jedi (in my dreams)
Psionic Leader: Hivemind (new concept)
Psionic Striker: Monk
Psionic Controller: Psion
 
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Atlatl Jones

Explorer
Irda Ranger said:
No class, even in the PHB1, is perfectly confined to one role; the Paladin can Heal, as you note. But Mearls has specifically said that you won't see any class that is strong in more than one Role. Allowing such a class would nerf all the other classes in both of those Roles.

And the other lesson they've learned is that the Jack-of-All-Trades always ends up being the fifth wheel with no clear contribution to the group. The philosophy is: Pick A Role And Don't Look Back.
In a The Tome podcast interview, Chris Perkins said that it could be possible for a class to be able to fit two roles. It sounded more like a class could be either role A or B, not both, depending on whether he took class option A or B. What he and the interviewer were talking about sounded quite theoretical though, a discussion of what might be possible, not neccessarilly discussion of upcoming designs.

Still, if any class could be designed to fulfill different roles, the druid is it. Focus on shapeshifting, and it could be a striker. Focus on nature magic, healing, and buffing, and it could be a leader.
 

breschau

First Post
From Races & Classes:

Barbarians: "We've also tied barbarians and druids closer together." = Same source, let's say nature until release.

Bards: "a bard is a leader who wields magic both dramatic and subtle." = Leader. Power source unknown.

Druids, the house that wildshape built. Nothing really about role.

Monk: "the class will likely be a striker." Andy Collins: Monk as Martial Striker? “At least 50% wrong.” With the other martial strikers and the bit from R&C it's likely a different power source. Something new, probably. Something like psionic or ki. For a nice round couple of classes they will likely be a psionic class. Focusing the power of the mind and all that.
 

Terramotus

First Post
I want to see a Divine Controller, and I think there's a really good niche for a worshiper of the Primordials as opposed to the Gods. Call him an Atavist, an Elementalist, a Shaman, whatever. I'd like to see this class be a summoning class, doing most of its mass damage through summoned Elementals, and most of the rest of its powers being used to control the battlefield. The earth roiling and knocking over foes, the winds binding, burning people inside their metal armor like Heat Metal, etc.

I'd love that class. It would also be useful to separate some of those things out from the Druid into this class if the Druid is indeed intended to be a Striker rather than a Controller.
 

Two things:

First, the Elementalist has been mentioned as a class in at least R & C.

Second, with regards to the Monk=Controller crowd: A Controller is not someone who manipulates the battlefield - necessarilly. Rather a Controller is someone who must easilly be able to hit lots of guys with damage at the same time.
 

cdrcjsn

First Post
jsaving said:
Bard has been confirmed as an arcane leader, and the designers said at D&D Experience that the class has been completed.

I read that it's been confirmed that Bard has been finished, but I don't recall anyone saying that it's an Arcane leader. Don't get me wrong, it makes sense because of his role and the fact that he's been an arcane caster for the past two editions.

However, I can also see Bard as a primal caster, with the same power source as Druids and Barbarians. After all, in 1st edition they were ftr/rog/druid multiclass builds.

From a mythology standpoint, Bards fit well with Celtic druids and berserkers warriors.
 

breschau

First Post
Terramotus said:
I want to see a Divine Controller, and I think there's a really good niche for a worshiper of the Primordials as opposed to the Gods. Call him an Atavist, an Elementalist, a Shaman, whatever. I'd like to see this class be a summoning class, doing most of its mass damage through summoned Elementals, and most of the rest of its powers being used to control the battlefield. The earth roiling and knocking over foes, the winds binding, burning people inside their metal armor like Heat Metal, etc.

I'd love that class. It would also be useful to separate some of those things out from the Druid into this class if the Druid is indeed intended to be a Striker rather than a Controller.

One of the things I loved the most about Dark Sun was the elemental clerics. Another vote for the Elementalist please. Especially the para-elemental clerics. Ooo... 4th ed Dark Sun, I'm drooling already.
 

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