[Updated] Chris Sims & Jennifer Clarke Wilkes Let Go From WotC

The details are unclear, but D&D editor Chris Sims has reported that he is now in need of a job, and is willing to relocate. He was hired by WotC in 2005 after working for them as a freelance editor. Part of the D&D 5E launch, he was one of the editors for the Player's Handbook and Dungeon Master's Guide, and was responsible for stat block development in the Monster Manual. The reasons have not been revealed, nor is it clear whether he left or was laid off.

Whether this is an isolated thing or part of more layoffs if unclear right now. More if I hear anything! In the meantime, if you can hire an excellent writer and editor, please do!

For more on ex-WotC employees, please check my list here!

UPDATE: Jennifer Clarke Wilkes is also in the same boat. She has worked on both D&D as an editor and on Magic: the Gathering, and has been working for WotC for many years.

UPDATE 2: Chris Sims confirms here that he and Jennifer were both laid off.
 

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There's a quote (I think it was Stephen King) who said something like the number of writers in America who make a living off of just writing would all fit on a couch.

But take heart -- their egos could fill the Superdome. :)

You seem to forget that a lot of people buy directly from Paizo in the form of books and PDF's.
Amazon is not a "success" measuring tool.

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Clearly not.
 

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Fair enough, but my experiences have been different. My local shops sold out of both the PHB and DMG in quick order, and their restock is now getting low as well.

In my local gaming store, the 5E books have certainly been edging out Pathfinder in terms of shelf space, but I'm not sure how well they have been moving. I keep seeing the same number of books, most of which are the Tiamat adventures and starter sets, every week so unless he's restocking constantly, it does not seem to be moving that briskly.

I also stumbled on this recent blog post over at Black Diamond Games which states that his 5E sales are going very well, but he expresses some interesting concerns from the game store owner perspective:

http://blackdiamondgames.blogspot.ca/2015/01/dungeons-dragons-dilemma-tradecraft.html
 

I don't know what "W2" means. But Lisa Stevens says about 20 full time on Pathfinder itself, 5 art department, a bunch of admin/legal/web folks and various warehouse etc. So sounds like about 25 full time, the rest part time.

We don't have any part time employees. The 25 full-time were folks that worked directly on Pathfinder products in design, development, editing and art. Currently, we are pushing 60 employees in the company and growing. In the next few months, we will be hiring more editors and developers to support Pathfinder. 2014 was our best year ever in both sales and profits. Still going up!

-Lisa
 

Fair enough, but my experiences have been different. My local shops sold out of both the PHB and DMG in quick order, and their restock is now getting low as well.


Right, so clearly there are mixed reports and D&D isn't some sort of runaway success in all quarters. Not everyone is playing or even thinking about making 5E their one and only RPG. We collectively established that as fact.


And like I said before, online sales have been huge.


Sorry, man, but those lists are relative. Does that mean 5E did better than PF on Amazon in the quoted period? Of course. Does it give overall numbers? Naw. There's no real way to look at Amazon ranking lists and call something particularly huge except in relative terms in comparison to what else is on the list. I fully expect a new edition of D&D to be high on ranking lists for the first year of its release. As I have said, a success but as successful as expected? We won't know for some time and there are signs of trouble in some stores and definitely in the area of events, conventions, gamedays, etc.


This is not posted to start an edition war (. . .)


Oh, you had to go there, eh? (sigh) There's no need to suggest anyone might start an edition war. I clearly am not tied to any one RPG or edition nor do I care if you are.


(. . .) just to show that even though one brick and mortar store owner might say that Pathfinder is selling well, but 5e is not, doesn't mean it's that way everywhere.


You do understand that you are precisely making my point, right? I specifically said that my measure is by events at conventions and anyone can look for themselves. Other folks mention their own local experience and I added mine as a way to remind folks that local experience IS NOT a gauge for how successful 5E might or might not be.



We've agreed the anecdotal stuff means nothing in the big picture.
 

In my local gaming store, the 5E books have certainly been edging out Pathfinder in terms of shelf space, but I'm not sure how well they have been moving. I keep seeing the same number of books, most of which are the Tiamat adventures and starter sets, every week so unless he's restocking constantly, it does not seem to be moving that briskly.

I also stumbled on this recent blog post over at Black Diamond Games which states that his 5E sales are going very well, but he expresses some interesting concerns from the game store owner perspective:

http://blackdiamondgames.blogspot.ca/2015/01/dungeons-dragons-dilemma-tradecraft.html

I've noticed the adventures (Hoard and Tiamat) have been on the shelves a while, too. But not the PHB and DMG. Both sold out and were restocked, and both are now low again. MM not as much. I think they're still on their first stock of the MM...
 

Just looking at the rest of your post, it appears there is quite a bit of semantic gymnastics and assumption being used to back up this hyperbole.
We have very few data points. The data points we have, they tell a story of each edition outselling the previous one, in terms of core book sales. The Red Box in 1989 seems the one anomaly. I can say that the Wizards folks I know well with whom I've talked to (employees who have no reason to blow smoke) have been blown away by the 5E numbers. I could not share specifics, even if I have them.

If I saw huge swaths of PF folks moving back over to 5E, I'd agree in a heartbeat that 5E must be doing very well indeed. If I saw a huge drop in OSR movements rather than growth
In all honesty and with respect, I think that's an erroneous line of thinking. Wizards doesn't need to convert a Pathfinder person over to 5E. They don't need to get that Shadowrun player, Numenera player, etc. What they need is to consistently bring in new players as customers and to grow the overall hobby. Most gamers play several games. The edition war concept of Pathfinder vs D&D is mainly false. Tons of gamers play both games. It happens even more when we get to different genres, where gamers often gravitate between 5E and other RPGs (Eclipse Phase for sci-fi, L5R for Asian fantasy, Shadowrun for cyberpunk, Spycraft and Gumshoe for espionage, etc.). Wizards would be making a huge mistake if they were to focus on winning those people solely over to their game. Instead, they should focus on making the game accessible and desirable for a wide variety of gamers and especially for new gamers. As the CEO said, the competition is other forms of entertainment, not other RPGs.

When I travel for work I always visit stores. I do see people who play Pathfinder trying and liking 5E. But, I don't think it is about a switch. Many may very well do that to some extent (playing 5E most of the time - I see plenty of that), but these people are clearly still huge fans of Paizo and still buying plenty of product from them. That's absolutely excellent. The OSR crowd should not decrease because of 5E. In a healthy hobby, both will grow and both will invigorate each other. Look at Gen Con: Paizo and D&D both had their largest organized play attendance ever, in the same year. That's absolutely what we want. It's even what both companies should want! There is no reason why Paizo has to drop in sales for 5E to succeed and no reason why OSR must shrink for any other fantasy RPG to do well.

The store I've started to gravitate to when I travel on my current project has 4 8-person tables of 5E on Wednesdays (and many more on weekends). My DM is a relatively new DM. She began with Pathfinder and is a huge fan, but is enjoying 5E. She's an excellent judge. The combination of PFS and 5E has given her incredible tools and experience to become the judge she is. She's better for the existence of both games. If she ends up digging into classic adventures, whose to say she won't play some OSR and learn even more about that style of play - further benefiting her 5E tables? This is how the hobby should work.
 

Even though I am a strong 5e fan and don't care for PF much (the 3.x D&D games are my least favorite but they are still D&D so they aren't terribel) I am not surprised to see PF continue to do well. If you like that game it is supported more than any other with official adventures and APs and splats on a regular basis. I really wish 5e (and 4e before it) were suported like this.

But WotC has decided to go a different direction. I don't see financial numbers for any of these games so I can't say whether WotC or Paizo are making good or bad decisions for themselves.

Us 5e fans will just need to create our own support or convert from another source,.
 


We don't have any part time employees. The 25 full-time were folks that worked directly on Pathfinder products in design, development, editing and art. Currently, we are pushing 60 employees in the company and growing. In the next few months, we will be hiring more editors and developers to support Pathfinder. 2014 was our best year ever in both sales and profits. Still going up!

-Lisa
That's fantastic, Lisa! Paizo is amazing and great for the hobby!

How vital is having your own (online) store front? Do you agree with Ryan that this is a key for you?
 


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