D&D 5E Variant 5e?

[Zardnaar]

You bought three books. An RPG is one book (except D&D which is three books).

I bought a car this year. It also cost more than an RPG. It, like your purchase, wasn’t an RPG. So let’s stay on target, eh?

Well all the shops here only sell 5E. D&D has 3 big advantages.

1. Name recognition
2. Dominant market position.
3. Popular genre (fantasy).

Alot of D&D players don't like RPGs they just like D&D.

D&D is still fairly niche. Any rpg that's not D&D is even smaller than that and competes with every other RPG that's not D&D.

5Es what 80% of the market or more?

Even when it was out of print 2012-2014 the market just shrunk.

 

[Tony Vargas]

We still use 24-hour long rests and 4-hour short rests.

kinda between standard and gritty...

Sure, we had heal-bots in many of our 1E and 2E games, but also ran games without them. As slow as natural healing was in 1E, that made taking damage very dangerous and difficult to recover from!

Which made you far less effective than a party with a capable healer. Was there some compelling reason for the lack?

 

[Garthanos]

Makes sense. I think part of the reason for the HD mechanic was invented mostly because it kinda sorta looks like healing surges from 4e, without being as offensive to the h4ters.

Of course it completely doesn't work like HS, to me it seems like many of the mechanics they brought forward the designers seem to lack understanding about what made them good. A cap for how much healing can be exploited? (without something rare) ummm nope. Proportionate healing? nope. A standard resource that can be spent to represent extraordinary effort and which martial types might need more but have more of? nope.

 

[Morrus]

Well all the shops here only sell 5E. D&D has 3 big advantages.

1. Name recognition
2. Dominant market position.
3. Popular genre (fantasy).

Alot of D&D players don't like RPGs they just like D&D.

D&D is still fairly niche. Any rpg that's not D&D is even smaller than that and competes with every other RPG that's not D&D.

5Es what 80% of the market or more?

Even when it was out of print 2012-2014 the market just shrunk.

That’s an entire different argument.

You started by saying that other RPGs cost too much, and listed the total cost of a pile of third party supplements.

I pointed that out, so now you’ve shifted goalposts and are saying it’s because your local shop only has D&D.

 

[Zardnaar]

HD is easier than surges because it's roll a dice add con rather than trying to work out 25%.

Rolling dice us also fun.

5Es main problem with healing is the rates all over the place.

Someone takes healer feat early =easy mode

Life cleric is roughly twice as good as all the other clerics and they're better than Druids e cept..

A Druid using Xanathars and healing spirit which is way better than a lvl 3 paladin spell available 6 levels later but....

Xanathars also has celestial Warlock and a Druid both if which get bonus action healing. Which functions more or less as healing word but it's better as it doesn't count as a spell so you can use one and drop a non cantrip spell.

 

[Garthanos]

A cap for how much healing can be exploited? (without something rare) ummm nope. Proportionate healing? nope. A standard resource that can be spent to represent extraordinary effort and which martial types might need more but have more of? nope.

I am somehow not so easily seeing ways to put things like those in 5e.

 

[Garthanos]

HD is easier than surges because it's roll a dice add con rather than trying to work out 25%.

Done once when you level... tadah

 

[Charlaquin]

Of course it completely doesn't work like HS, to me it seems like many of the mechanics they brought forward the designers seem to lack understanding about what made them good. A cap for how much healing can be exploited? (without something rare) ummm nope. Proportionate healing? nope. A standard resource that can be spent to represent extraordinary effort and which martial types might need more but have more of? nope.

Yeah, it was very clear that 5e’s devs really, really didn’t get 4e.

 

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[DND_Reborn]

kinda between standard and gritty...

Which made you far less effective than a party with a capable healer. Was there some compelling reason for the lack?

Only that no one wanted to play a healer/heal-bot. We had to adapt and play more conservatively, with better planning, etc. It was enjoyable and challenging.