Charlaquin
Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
Subtle spell isn’t cheese. Avoiding counterspells is literally its intended use.Vecna didn't get where he is today by being fooled by cheap cheese.
Subtle spell isn’t cheese. Avoiding counterspells is literally its intended use.Vecna didn't get where he is today by being fooled by cheap cheese.
It is cheap though. No one becomes a thousands of years old archlich without encountering subtle spell and learning how to beat it.Subtle spell isn’t cheese. Avoiding counterspells is literally its intended use.
Especially considering how many groups let casters use magic sneakily, or just make the casting a lot less obvious than the default assumptions are. Letting it be counterspell proof is really all it has going in a lot of groups.Subtle spell isn’t cheese. Avoiding counterspells is literally its intended use.
What is cheap about using a class feature exactly as intended?It is cheap though. No one becomes a thousands of years old archlich without encountering subtle spell and learning how to beat it.
It's available at low level. Therefore, it's common. Vecna should be preped to counter it, just as he would prep to counter any other low level ability that could be used against him.What is cheap about using a class feature exactly as intended?
Oh, you mean cheap as in not-costly. I was thinking you meant it as in sordid.It's available at low level. Therefore, it's common. Vecna should be preped to counter it, just as he would prep to counter any other low level ability that could be used against him.
It doesn't even do that completely. If you're using material components for the spell, people can still see you grab it and counter your spell. It's not like an enemy spell caster is going to be like, "He's grabbing bat guano and sulfur, but since he's not saying anything or waving his hands, he must not be casting a spell and have some other reason for grabbing those in the middle of battle." And lots of spells have material components.Subtle spell isn’t cheese. Avoiding counterspells is literally its intended use.
Yeah. To Vecna it's a parlor trick that he knows for a fact that PC has. The PC still has to stop and concentrate for a bit on the spell and probably grab a material component. Vecna has thousands of years of magical combat with which to recognize when someone is using that ability.Oh, you mean cheap as in not-costly. I was thinking you meant it as in sordid.