VoP vs. Call Weapon

[DungeonMaester]

Furtermore, a VoPer would instantly violate his vow if he used any weapons after lvl 5 (?) when he gets Exalted Strike (+1 enhancement bonus and all that).

No, Its not a magic enchantment.

No it does not make it a magic item. It makes it a mundane item with a spell cast upon it. Not the same thing at all.

I see no issues with this.

A object that is foreged to be magic (such as the Holy Advenger) is the same as a kama that has magic fang casted on it. there both concidered to be magic, the differnece is the duration. Some me where it says that a sword with bless isnt concidered magic.


To clerify on can and cants.

Can
Recive a magic enchantment from a ally
Borrow a potion to take spot a to spot b
Be given healing from a potion or spell

Cant
Magic Enchant thier own weapon
Take a magic object with out concent
Craft a magic item

---Rusty

 

[wildstarsreach]

Something that I think is being assumed. If you call weaponry a long sword and use it, it would still be subject to shatter or any other destructive spells or effects. It is enhanced during the duration of the per the power with the ability to bypass DR that requires magic. This does not make it a magic item Augmenting beyond the initial isn't worth it since the VoP augments are almost equal at most levels and superior at a few few.

Post 19 I showed when you would get relavent bonuses as well as irdeggman stated in post 39.

 

[Sejs]

So can Shatter work on it? If not, it certainly is a magic item. Will it recieve a save against an area effect if left unattended? If it recieves a save, damn right it is a magic weapon.

Yup, Shatter would work on it just fine. If you leveled a dispel magic at it, the effect granting the enhancement bonus (magic weapon, an oil, whatever) would be dispelled instead of just being suppressed for a few rounds as would be the case if it were an actual magic item, and so on.

 

[Hypersmurf]

It is enhanced during the duration of the per the power with the ability to bypass DR that requires magic.

Per the power description, it is considered a magic weapon, and a result of this is that it can bypass DR X/Magic.

It's not considered a non-magical weapon with the ability to bypass DR; it can bypass DR because it is considered a magic weapon.

Q. Can Shatter destroy a weapon?
A. Only if it is not magical.

Q. Is a weapon resulting from Call Weapon magical?
A. It is considered a magic weapon.

-Hyp.

 

[wildstarsreach]

So by a strict reading of the VoP the following spells could never be used:

Magic Fang
Magical Weapon
Magic Stone
Magical Vestment
Holy Sword

I don't think there is a problem with Mage Armor since it is not an "enhancement" bonus but pretty much any spell that applies an enhancement bonus to weapons, armor or items would be forbidden.

Also the soulknife would be a class that would be forbidden since his mindblade gets an enhancement bonus to his mindblade at higher levels and not just treated as magica for purposes of bypassing DR. This would make it the only class that is forbidden, not just severely restricted.

Upon further reflection, I think that until a clearer definition comes out that VoP should probably be disallowed. Gaining a class feature that invalidates the feat is wrong.

The Rogue would be another that would be serverely restricted. Could you play a Robin Hood character that steals from the rich and gives back to the poor? You are committing an evil to do good. You are borrowing from the rich to benefit the poor. Call weaponry borrows from the rich and gives back to the poor, later. Quoting Captain Kirk in 'City on the Edge of Forever

 

[Artoomis]

...A object that is foreged to be magic (such as the Holy Advenger) is the same as a kama that has magic fang casted on it.

...there both concidered to be magic, the differnece is the duration. Some me where it says that a sword with bless isnt concidered magic.

Obviously, you mean "Magic Weapon, not "Magic Fang" And the thing to show is not where they are NOT considered magiuc, the thing to show is where they are considered magic weapons. They certainly will have a magic aura while the spell is active and have an enhancment bonus, but they are not "Magic Weapons." Nothing indicates they have the extra hit points and hardness, etc., etc.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Nothing indicates they have the extra hit points and hardness, etc., etc.

I emphatically disagree.

Magic Weapon gives a weapon a +1 enhancement bonus on attack and damage rolls.

So what does that mean for hardness and hit points?

Each +1 of enhancement bonus adds 2 to the hardness of armor, a weapon, or a shield and +10 to the item’s hit points.

For the duration of the spell, the weapon has a +1 enhancement bonus. A weapon with a +1 enhancement bonus has +2 hardness and +10 hit points.

-Hyp.

 

[wildstarsreach]

Per the power description, it is considered a magic weapon, and a result of this is that it can bypass DR X/Magic.

It's not considered a non-magical weapon with the ability to bypass DR; it can bypass DR because it is considered a magic weapon

Q. Can Shatter destroy a weapon?
A. Only if it is not magical.

Nothing is stated in the power description that this would make the called weapon immune to spells or effects that can destroy it.

Q. Is a weapon resulting from Call Weapon magical?
A. It is considered a magic weapon.

-Hyp.

Reading the specific power, yes this is a magic weapon which is again, not against the prohibition of not using "MAGIC ITEMS". A summoned creature is a temporary magic weapon at best. It is not an item.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Nothing is stated in the power description that this would make the called weapon immune to spells or effects that can destroy it.

Shatter can only affect non-magical objects.

A called weapon is an object, but by the wording of the power, it is considered magic.

The weapon is not immune to spells that can destroy it, but neither is it subject to Shatter, because Shatter is not a spell that can destroy it.

-Hyp.

 

[Pyrex]

Except for the bizarre exception that you can ride the Ebony Fly but not borrow a Cloak of Resistance