VoP vs. Call Weapon

[Drowbane]

Upon further reflection, I think that until a clearer definition comes out that VoP should probably be disallowed. Gaining a class feature that invalidates the feat is wrong.

The Rogue would be another that would be serverely restricted. Could you play a Robin Hood character that steals from the rich and gives back to the poor? You are committing an evil to do good. You are borrowing from the rich to benefit the poor. Call weaponry borrows from the rich and gives back to the poor, later. Quoting Captain Kirk in 'City on the Edge of Forever

Or just play with DMs who understand the flavor of the vow and forgive it being poorly written.

I know, I know... reasonable DMs can be in short supply at times. If that is the case, don't attempt to use Exalted Deeds.

 

[frankthedm]

Or just play with DMs who understand the flavor of the vow and forgive it being poorly written.

So how do you think it should be written? I personally feel the VOP character refusing expensive consumables is well in the spirit of the VOP.

I know, I know... reasonable DMs can be in short supply at times. If that is the case, don't attempt to use Exalted Deeds.

I question the reasonability of any book that suggests two soul sucking demons deserve mercy because they love each other.

 

[wildstarsreach]

Or just play with DMs who understand the flavor of the vow and forgive it being poorly written.

I know, I know... reasonable DMs can be in short supply at times. If that is the case, don't attempt to use Exalted Deeds.

I'd love to play one as a psionic, wizard/sorcerer or monk. Since most of the DM's don't like psionics, a sorcerer or monk are the most likely. I also have to wait until the party starts a campaign that is good centered. The newest ones are not so good or we are a monster crew.

Monster crew, kobold bard, Psiforged shaper, wisper gnome rogue, grey orc druid, mutant sahuaguin fighter, feral dwarf cleric and an underfolk.

My character the Psiforged is the only good but based on the history will change on experience.

 

[Musrum]

Maybe I am imagining the problem, but from the discussions I’ve seen, there sometimes seems to be a goal of, “The other party members pumping up the VOP character.”

Which is a good thing. D&D is a team sport and party members covering each other's weaknesses is part of the game.
If the party Tank has most of his gp invested in his family's greatword of smackdown should the party Cleric abstain from throwing a Magic Vestment on his full-plate?

 

[frankthedm]

Which is a good thing. D&D is a team sport and party members covering each other's weaknesses is part of the game.
If the party Tank has most of his gp invested in his family's greatword of smackdown should the party Cleric abstain from throwing a Magic Vestment on his full-plate?

That senario is prevented by the suggestion "only X amount of GP can be spent on a given item" tha is part of chooing gear for a higher level PC. Besides, That character never took the VOP and is not compensated in the defence department as a VOP character is.

If a party is struggling against a deadly enemy on a time limit, will he or she refuse a healing spell because it can be bought (by RAW, anyways) from NPCs for a gold value?

No and the feat calls that out. I will question how much a character is adhering to the spirit VOP when he allows allies to spend 1000s of GP in wands, scrolls and other consumable ‘earmarked’ to be cast onto the VOP character.

Do they refuse protection from a particularly deadly attack mode they haven't gotten protection/immunity from?

If that protection is in the form of a magic item and they took the VOP then YES! Exalted character DO die rather than go against their principles. Just like in real life, there are times where it will be Life or Vow. That’s why Exalted characters get compensated with so much stuff!

Will they not try to be as prepared as possible against a villian attempting to end the world? If so, then the VoP player is being an idiot, not Exalted.

Then it looks like you feel exalted characters are idiots. Vows don't have escape clauses. I will go on record to say, “stopping a legitimate end of the world scenario is one of the only times I feel a broken vow could be Atoned for.” And depending on how much of a "set up" the senario is, the Atonement might consist mearly of a "Forgive me Pelor" or "Praise Bahamut!" rather than a 5th level spell.

I do believe you're imagining the 'buff up the VoP character' problem.

That’s a possibility.

 

[wildstarsreach]

Okay,
Using anything that is magic or masterwork weapons breaks the vow. The intent I think was anything that is physical and not temporarily enhanced or created. However the literal interpretation would technically forbade call weaponry. It would also include a soul knife's mind blade. This is a class ability that should be given an exception. I would also give any spell or power in which the character is responsible for a pass. That is unless there is a material cost unless the option to spend xp instead of material cost of gp value. As to other party members, I would make a limitation of any healing or restorative as part of the exception. I would define that defensive buffs be limited in some way. I would also limit offensive buffs that the party can put on to be limited or forbidden specifically.

 

[irdeggman]

The Rogue would be another that would be serverely restricted. Could you play a Robin Hood character that steals from the rich and gives back to the poor? You are committing an evil to do good. You are borrowing from the rich to benefit the poor. Call weaponry borrows from the rich and gives back to the poor, later. Quoting Captain Kirk in 'City on the Edge of Forever

Rogues are no longer strictly "thieves".

Get thee behind me 2nd ed.!

 

[cmanos]

Any time you have to question if it violates the vow, it violates the vow. If you are questioning, it means you are trying to get around the strictures imposed by the vow, which a, Exalted character would not try to do.

 

[Tetsubo]

Any time you have to question if it violates the vow, it violates the vow. If you are questioning, it means you are trying to get around the strictures imposed by the vow, which a, Exalted character would not try to do.

There is a difference between seeking an explanation and seeking an exploitation.

The rules are not perfect. They do not cover every single possible situation. Which is why the game has the Rule 0.

 

[DungeonMaester]

Except for the bizarre exception that you can ride the Ebony Fly but not borrow a Cloak of Resistance

This is becuase Ebony Fly, like a magic carpet, can be rode becuase its a shared item and not a self item like the cape. All that really means is that a Vop character can ride on magicly agumented items because other wise there would be situatuions where the monk would be left behind.

Obviously, you mean "Magic Weapon, not "Magic Fang" And the thing to show is not where they are NOT considered magiuc, the thing to show is where they are considered magic weapons. They certainly will have a magic aura while the spell is active and have an enhancment bonus, but they are not "Magic Weapons." Nothing indicates they have the extra hit points and hardness, etc., etc.

No. While a Great Sword with Bless casted on it may not be as hard and tough as a Holy advenger, they are both concidered magic objects.

To clerify on can and cants.

Can
Recive a magic enchantment from a ally
Borrow a potion to take spot a to spot b
Be given healing from a potion or spell

Cant
Magic Enchant thier own weapon
Take a magic object with out concent
Craft a magic item

Since no one seemed to care about can and cants of a Vop, i'll explain the reasons.

A Vop character quite simple belives in two things.

1) Poverty is not a Luxury, by taking these vows he lives his life to serve the people who are need.

2) Himself. A Vop character has the power of self faith to accomplish the job at hands, so he doesnt need magic items to help beat down the goblins who are raiding poor villiges, however, a Vop character is not above getting help from thier allies in a time of need.

Called weapon still breaks the Vow. Its No magic items, not no magic items unless it benifits me.

---Rusty