Vorpal Crits

[Caliban]

Of course it means what I think it means.

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"It's just like every other die roll, except that you don't roll dice."

That seems to be the crux of your arguement, right?

In the common vernacular, rolling the dice means reading a number off the random number generator.

No, it really doesn't mean that.

 

[hong]

I'll trust you the day I hear the guy with the hotdog cart at the corner of my street yelling "WTS sausages" and listing his prices in gold, silver, and copper coins.

We are, of course, talking about the common vernacular among a rather uncommon subset of the general populace. I thought this was clear. Perhaps I was wrong.

No, it is not still a damage roll in any sense of the word. The D&D rules themselves state that it isn't a roll. You can't claim "well, they mean 'roll' this way in the crit rules and that way in the vorpal weapon rules" without damned good justification for it, which you have not yet provided.

They all boil down to the same thing -- a crit is a damage roll, maximised -- so there is no this way and that.

 

[hong]

"It's just like every other die roll, except that you don't roll dice."

That seems to be the crux of your arguement, right?

It's just like every other damage roll, except you don't roll dice.

 

[Caliban]

It's just like every other damage roll, except you don't roll dice.

It doesn't trigger any effect that requires dice to be rolled, because no dice were rolled. The vorpal ability triggers off of rolling max damage on the dice. There is no getting around that Hong. Sorry.

 

[hong]

It doesn't trigger any effect that requires dice to be rolled, because no dice were rolled. The vorpal ability triggers off of rolling max damage on the dice. There is no getting around that Hong. Sorry.

Sure there is, because a crit is just like every other damage roll. You just don't physically need to roll dice to get max damage.

 

[Victoly]

We are, of course, talking about the common vernacular among a rather uncommon subset of the general populace. I thought this was clear. Perhaps I was wrong.

Your words were "plain-English vernacular," not "gaming vernacular." There's quite a difference there. But, again, this is irrelevant, since the PHB specifically states that a crit is not a roll.

They all boil down to the same thing -- a crit is a damage roll, maximised -- so there is no this way and that.

No. You are flat-out incorrect. A crit is not a damage roll. The PHB specifically states that it is not a damage roll. A crit is not a damage roll any more than my damage from cleave is a damage roll.

 

[Zurai]

It doesn't trigger any effect that requires dice to be rolled, because no dice were rolled.

Then you don't get any bonuses to the damage from Enhancement, Item, Feat, or any other sources. It's just the weapon dice.

 

[Caliban]

Sure there is, because a crit is just like every other damage roll. You just don't physically need to roll dice to get max damage.

But you do need to physically roll dice to trigger the vorpal ability.

 

[Caliban]

Then you don't get any bonuses to the damage from Enhancement, Item, Feat, or any other sources. It's just the weapon dice.

Those are bonuses to damage, not an effect that is triggered by rolling dice.

 

[hong]

Your words were "plain-English vernacular," not "gaming vernacular." There's quite a difference there. But, again, this is irrelevant, since the PHB specifically states that a crit is not a roll.

The PHB specifically states that rather than rolling the dice, you get max damage. Which is equivalent to saying that a crit is a normal damage roll, but with max damage.

No. You are flat-out incorrect. A crit is not a damage roll. The PHB specifically states that it is not a damage roll. A crit is not a damage roll any more than my damage from cleave is a damage roll.

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