D&D 5E Warlock One of the More Complicated 5E classes?

[lowkey13]

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[CapnZapp]

While I don't consider the complexity of building the character to be much of a big deal because a player usually has at least a few days to consider their building options and select one they can be satisfied with - but only a few moments to consider their play options before they are affecting everyone else at the table.

I do not feel dismissing the inherent (over)complexity in the Warlock class serves any useful purpose.

 

[AaronOfBarbaria]

I do not feel dismissing the inherent (over)complexity in the Warlock class serves any useful purpose.

I do not feel that I have dismissed the complexity - merely framed it in practicality to analyze what actual impact it can be expected to have.

 

[CapnZapp]

Big words, but as long as you basically agree that, yes, it's a complex class, it's alright.

 

[MechaTarrasque]

I don't see anything compelling enough to justify the notion that the warlock is sufficiently more complicated in construction to be an issue. For the price of a (very) small amount of extra work in building one, you get a simple to use in combat PC.

 

[ChrisCarlson]

I find them nuanced. And flexible. Not necessarily complicated.

Of course, as others have said, define "complicated", right?

 

[ChrisCarlson]

I'm also a bit confused. The original poster is one of those who has repeatedly expressed a clear opinion that warlocks are only ever going to take EB, the supporting feats for EB and spam it all day long. How does doing that make it a complicated class? Seems pretty straight forward and blandly simply to me. His opening post says some new players may not know they are almost required to do this*. That is a totally different issue than claiming a class is complex (or not).



(*I disagree that taking EB, and the associated invocations, are required at all to play a fun and effective warlock. But that's a different topic.)

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm also a bit confused. The original poster is one of those who has repeatedly expressed a clear opinion that warlocks are only ever going to take EB, the supporting feats for EB and spam it all day long. How does doing that make it a complicated class? Seems pretty straight forward and blandly simply to me. His opening post says some new players may not know they are almost required to do this*. That is a totally different issue than claiming a class is complex (or not).



(*I disagree that taking EB, and the associated invocations, are required at all to play a fun and effective warlock. But that's a different topic.)

Of course you do not have to take EB just it seems obvious to anyone familiar with D&D experience. If you are running around spamming poison spray you are going to be a bad Druid.

 

[ChrisCarlson]

Of course you do not have to take EB just it seems obvious to anyone familiar with D&D experience.

As someone who is comfortable putting his vast, more than three decades experience playing D&D up against nearly anyone, I must say I disagree with your presumption. I mean, since you brought experience into the equation. So there's that.

If you are running around spamming poison spray you are going to be a bad Druid.

IMO, this is not only irrelevant to the point you are trying to make, it muddies it in the trying. What does druids and poison spray have to do with your assertion that warlocks need not only take EB, but AB to go with it.

 

[lowkey13]

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