Water, water everywhere, Nor any drop to drink

[ChrisCarlson]

I, and other's, have been clamoring for a non-magical support class.
I don't care what it's name is. I don't care what edition, or game, it draws it's inspiration from.

So play and take on a support role. What's the hangup? If I can do it, I'm certain you are capable.

I've spent the entire thread attempting to inform you.

The water is too salty.

Is it? Or are you just wishing you could drink from another water source?

The battlemaster is too fightery. I can't play one as a support class. I have to spend the majority of the time multi-attacking.

Same with PDK.

Do you? That's odd. I don't see anywhere in the PHB telling anyone how they have to play their fighter. I know you say you've played these classes, but I know I have. And experienced them being played by others. I don't see the problem you see. Which brings us full circle. Its an issue of perception and unreasonable expectations. You want your square peg (4e warlord) to fit in a round hole (5e's design frameworks). We see you trying to cram it through and can only shake our heads.

Mastermind at least allows me to support every turn, but it doesn't scale with multi-attack and still becomes a secondary part of the character.

And you don't see the underlying trend with all these complaints?

I've spent the entire thread attempting to inform you.

And i've tried multi-classing as well. Battlemaster 3/Mastermind 3 mostly works, but only for a few levels (roughly 6-10). Before or after i need to resort to hitting things.

Sounds terrible. How dare the devs expect you to at least occasionally take an active role in the game rather than just pull up a lounge chair and have everyone else engage the scenarios for you.

 

[mellored]

Is it? Or are you just wishing you could drink from another water source?

Yes. I want unsalted water. Doesn't mater where it comes from.

4e, 3.5, 2e, pathfinder, diablo, anime, settlers of catan,... Why does it matter?

I don't see the problem you see.

Agreed.

 

[ChrisCarlson]

Yes. I want unsalted water. Doesn't mater where it comes from.

Then perhaps I can recommend you go back to drinking from the water source more suited to your taste? Just a suggestion.

4e, 3.5, 2e, pathfinder, diablo, anime, settlers of catan,... Why does it matter?

So all systems must unequivocally kowtow to all niche requests? Regardless of the validity or compatibility? Must the devs immediately release a superheroes sourcebook for 5e, so people can play Batman and Wonder Woman through Hoard of the Dragon Queen? I'm sure at least one person out there wishes that were a thing.

Agreed.

Thus, a perception issue. Guess who's perception - between the two of us - results in less hand-wringing and more enjoyment of 5e?

 

[mellored]

Then perhaps I can recommend you go back to drinking from the water source more suited to your taste? Just a suggestion.

And i recommend making a 5e marshal.

So all systems must unequivocally kowtow to all niche requests? Regardless of the validity or compatibility? Must the devs immediately release a superheroes sourcebook for 5e, so people can play Batman and Wonder Woman through Hoard of the Dragon Queen? I'm sure at least one person out there wishes that were a thing.

There's nothing invalid, or incompatible about a marshal in 5e.

Thus, a perception issue. Guess who's perception - between the two of us - results in less hand-wringing and more enjoyment of 5e?

Mine. I, and others, would be able to enjoy 5e more.

That should be pretty obvious.

 

[ChrisCarlson]

Then go for it. Put your money where your mouth is. Let's see your 5e-appropriate marshal.

 

[mellored]

Then go for it. Put your money where your mouth is. Let's see your 5e-appropriate marshal.

Might as well.

 

[ZickZak]

None of these will have an impact. There are like 4 ppl around who demand Warlord to be master-of-all. WotC stated the idea behind designing a class is keeping it unique and that is why they are unhappy with Champion for example. All of those things you want are already elsewhere, in the subclasses or even full classes. Those things make THEM unique. Warlord was, for some, an interesting concept that was obliterated and pieces of it put to good use.
Lets let the ability-donor sleep #SadFace

 

[mellored]

None of these will have an impact. There are like 4 ppl around who demand Warlord to be master-of-all.

There's a difference between being able to do anything, and being able to do everything.

Bards for instance can have any spell in the game, but that's not the same thing has having every spell in the game.

Similarly, a marshal could have all the desired options available, but then you need to choose 3 maneuvers and only have 2 aura's active.

 

[Aldarc]

None of these will have an impact. There are like 4 ppl around who demand Warlord to be master-of-all. WotC stated the idea behind designing a class is keeping it unique and that is why they are unhappy with Champion for example. All of those things you want are already elsewhere, in the subclasses or even full classes. Those things make THEM unique. Warlord was, for some, an interesting concept that was obliterated and pieces of it put to good use.
Lets let the ability-donor sleep #SadFace

And there are four people around who keep making this bogus, strawman claim.

 

[ZickZak]

And there are four people around who keep making this bogus, strawman claim.

Seems like you got offended. Here is a Jawa Warlord for you.