Ways to get to Fochlucan Lyrist?

[Rystil Arden]

Gez,

This might be a noob question, but I was under the impression that the soonest you could get Shadowdancer was character level 8 because of the 10 ranks in Hide requirement.

What are you doing to get past that? I'd really like to have Shadowdancer earlier.

Hmm...probably hand-waving? Anyway, Gez's build still works if you switch around the Shadowdancer levels to be last.

 

[Gez]

Little error on my part, corrected now. I raised the max rank for Hide too fast. (That error comes from another shadowdancer character build I've made recently, with an evenly multiclassed scout/cleric. So, at every new scout level, the max skill rank for hide and move silently was raised by two. I inadvertently applied the same "logic" here. Oops.)

 

[DanMcS]

Keep in mind that Fochluchan Lyrist is clearly intended as an homage to the 1E bard, which was essentially a triple-classed Fighter / Thief / Druid. So, that's why the class favors a particular set of qualifications.

But it doesn't require them to be a fighter/thief/druid to get in, it requires bard/thief/druid. So I don't see the direct connection you do, I guess.

 

[Rystil Arden]

But it doesn't require them to be a fighter/thief/druid to get in, it requires bard/thief/druid. So I don't see the direct connection you do, I guess.

Umm...because in 1E, the fighter thief druid *was* the bard. But now, there is a specific bard class, so its pretty obvious that they should have to take levels in that one too...

 

[Shadeus]

Does everyone think that it's intentional for the class to reuquire levels in three separate classes to enter that PrC? The book talks about it being a class for druid/bards, I don't remember a mention of rogues at all. It seems to me more like the author thought bards got evasion and they don't.

I guess it's possible they meant it, though.

I thought the same thing, but look at the example NPC. It definitely has the rogue levels in there as well.

 

[Gez]

I've very difficult to have bardic knowledge without being a bard.

The druidic requirements, though, are lax enough to allow many other classes.

Evasion, as we have seen, can be brought by several different paths.

 

[Rystil Arden]

I've very difficult to have bardic knowledge without being a bard.

The druidic requirements, though, are lax enough to allow many other classes.

Evasion, as we have seen, can be brought by several different paths.

The requirement of speaking the language Druidic is supposed to limit it to Druids only.

 

[the Jester]

Does everyone think that it's intentional for the class to reuquire levels in three separate classes to enter that PrC? The book talks about it being a class for druid/bards, I don't remember a mention of rogues at all. It seems to me more like the author thought bards got evasion and they don't.

I guess it's possible they meant it, though.

Absolutely intentional. The Fochlucan lyrist is a nod to the 1e bard, which you attained by first taking fighter levels, then thief levels, then druid levels (but they were really bard levels).

 

[the Jester]

But it doesn't require them to be a fighter/thief/druid to get in, it requires bard/thief/druid. So I don't see the direct connection you do, I guess.

Just to add, I think the fighter connection comes from the FL's full BAB progression.

 

[Demoquin]

what makes the FL so special again? Dont have the book on me