We saw a Star War! Last Jedi spoiler thread

[pukunui]

You seriously don't think there was an outline of the trilogy nailed down before Ep 7 was even begun? Who Snoke is, who Rey's parents are, and what ultimately happens to Rey, Poe, and Finn as well as Han, Luke, and (subject to tragic change) Leia was all worked out ahead of time for the trilogy... it had to have been. This is Disney, they don't just wing it.

They hadn't even figured out what Snoke looked like until a few months out from TFA's release, and Lucasfilm only recently said they'd finally figured out his backstory. So no, I don't think they had a proper outline for the whole trilogy. They might have had a rough, broad strokes idea, but I don't think they'd zoomed in on all the nitty-gritty details.

I agree, though, that Snoke may very well reappear in IX. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Phasma does too.

 

[Joker]

For what it's worth, this is what Rian Johnson had to say about the planning:

"I’m sure they talked about where it might go early on, but when they came to me there was no mapped story presented beyond TFA." and "We're not improvising it all on set. It is very carefully planned, but one piece at a time, each building off the previous movie."

This is in line with what JJ said about the trilogy that they didn't plan beyond the first movie.

 

[Morrus]

Yes, I thought he was awesome, too. Which is why such an ignoble death was so anti-climatic.

Deftly subverting our expectations. I found it delicious!

 

[epithet]

Deftly subverting our expectations. I found it delicious!

I don’t see inherent benefit in subverting expectations. In fact, it seems as though subverting expectation is sometimes used in lieu of a good story, and as an excuse for unsatisfying resolution or lazy plot development.

There is an art to writing a twist or surprise into a story in a way that improves the narrative, and it involves a lot more than subverting the audience’s expectations. There are many terms I would use to describe Rian’s plot development in TLJ, but “deft” is not among them. “Daft” is more like it.

 

[Morrus]

I don’t see inherent benefit in subverting expectations. In fact, it seems as though subverting expectation is sometimes used in lieu of a good story, and as an excuse for unsatisfying resolution or lazy plot development.

It's almost as if peoples' likes and dislikes were subjective!

There is an art to writing a twist or surprise into a story in a way that improves the narrative, and it involves a lot more than subverting the audience’s expectations. There are many terms I would use to describe Rian’s plot development in TLJ, but “deft” is not among them. “Daft” is more like it.

... well, except on the internet, of course.

 

[Ryujin]

I rather like having my expectations subverted. Until it becomes an M. Night Shyamalan game of "Spot the Twist", that is, when it comes back around to being an expectation.

 

[Joker]

But Snoke coming back wouldn't really be a twist because his ability to survive grievous wounds has only been established indirectly because of his scars.
Unless it was all a big bamboozlin' and Snoke was just a force projection of Kylo and we had a sort of Fight Club-esque psychological thriller coming up. Or it was a tiny Sith in a large Snoke costume like the little aliens in Men in Black.
I can accept that.

 

[MarkB]

But Snoke coming back wouldn't really be a twist because his ability to survive grievous wounds has only been established indirectly because of his scars.
Unless it was all a big bamboozlin' and Snoke was just a force projection of Kylo and we had a sort of Fight Club-esque psychological thriller coming up. Or it was a tiny Sith in a large Snoke costume like the little aliens in Men in Black.
I can accept that.

Snoke's dead, baby. Snoke's dead.

 

[Joker]

Whose speeder is this?

It's a shuttle, baby.

Whose shuttle is this?

Snoke's.

Who's Snoke?

Snoke's dead, baby. Snoke's dead.

 

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