We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.

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Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.
Just as a warning, for those who might be bothered by certain sorts of content, some of the incidents that were relayed to me, the stories that were told, have jarring, uncomfortable occurrences in them. If mentions of rape and unsolicitated physical contact will bother you, you might want to skip the rest of this article. I know reading the emails and PMs from these women bothered me as they came in.

As much as what these women related bothered me, and obviously bothered them as the targets of the harassment, I felt that the fact that it was so uncomfortable was exactly the reason why this current piece needed to be written. We, as a group, need to start looking the people doing this harassment in the eye and telling them that we don’t think it is okay. We need to stop pushing these accounts into the shadows, under the rugs, and pretending that they do not exist. We need to make our communities into better places for everyone, and not just a bunch of men.

I put out a call over my various social media feeds (which was shared a lot), asking for women to share their experiences of harassment in tabletop gaming with me. Anonymity was offered to those who wanted it, and not surprisingly most respondents asked that their names be kept confidential. The reasons for them wanting to be kept anonymous were one of two. First, they were afraid of further harassment within their communities for calling out the bad behavior. They seen how women who tell men to stop get treated in small, closed communities and, for better or worse, they want to continue with their hobbies without additional harassment. The second reason was a bit scarier. Some of these women are professionals, working in tabletop gaming in a number of different capacities, who fear that publicly coming forward would negatively impact their careers within gaming.

I’ll just say that last one again, with emphasis: they were afraid that coming forward about their harassment, or the harassment that they had witnessed, would negatively impact their careers in tabletop gaming.

Because of these reasons, I will be keeping the identities of everyone who asked anonymous. Everyone who spoke with me identified themselves, I am just not identifying them.

One of the common threads through the experiences shared was rape. Most of these women had had characters raped during convention play, online games, or at events at stores. Sometimes the rapes were matter-of-factly introduced into play, others there was a titillating level of graphic detail to the assaults. One women talked about how a regular attendee at a local convention bragged of having a “rape kit” in his car for the women at the convention, and at one point he yelled at her to “find him women to sleep with.” She also talked about the organizers of the convention having a “men only camping retreat” and when she was on the board of the con the only way that she could attend was “nude and wearing a dog collar.” Another woman talked about the GM of her online game suddenly having her character knocked unconscious, taken away on a ship, and then graphically narrated raping her character. All of this occurred on voice chat while using a popular virtual tabletop site.

Another woman told me that her attempts at organizing a couple of women only games for a VTT online convention was met with such vehemence from male gamers that the games were pulled from the schedule of the convention.

People wonder why more and more people think that anti-harassment policies are needed at conventions. After all, even Gen Con has one:
Gen Con: The Best Four Days in Gaming! is dedicated to providing a harassment-free Event experience for everyone, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race, religion, or affiliation. We do not tolerate harassment of convention participants in any form. Convention participants violating these rules may be sanctioned or expelled without refund at the discretion of show management.

And an Ethics policy:

All of the following constitute grounds for expulsion from the convention without refund:
  • Violating any federal, state, or local laws, facility rules or convention policies
  • Failure to comply with the instructions of Gen Con Event Staff or security personnel
  • Using anything in a threatening or destructive manner against person or property
  • Endangering the safety of oneself or others
  • Threatening, stealing, cheating or harassing others
  • Failure to conduct oneself in a mature manner

The creators of the 13th Age RPG have anti-harassment policies for their organized play because “Nobody shows up for a game with the goal of feeling uncomfortable or unsafe, and sorry that they came. But organized play brings together many different types of people with different expectations and approaches to play. An anti-harassment policy sets ground rules that everyone can recognize and follow, resulting in better games and more fun.” In the policy they outline harassment as “Everyone has the right to a space that is safe from any type of harassment: physical, verbal, emotional, or sexual.”

Honestly, considering the experiences that have been related to me, these sorts of policies should be commonplace for conventions and organized play. I have heard that Paizo is currently drafting an anti-harassment policy for their organized play, and Ad Astra Games has one in place already.

These are some of the more overt things that women have to deal with in their tabletop gaming experiences, and doesn’t go into the more “casual” or systemic harassment and sexism that women deal with at conventions, in online play and at game stores. One of the women talked about women being a subclass in society, and it being more so in gaming communities. “It sucks for a female gamer, going into a store and having that reaction.”

Men are openly commenting on women’s body parts in a sexual manner. Sexual content is added to games because “that’s the kind of stuff that women like.” Crude sexual references and jokes are made.

I’m not saying that there is no place for sexual, or adult themes, in gaming. Just the opposite, in fact. In my personal groups I game with grownups, and we play games that can have adult material in them. We have, however, agreed that content like that is okay in advance, and most of the time we agree that players’ agency over their characters should not be railroaded by the story of the game, or the actions of the GM. There is a huge difference between making awkward sexual comments out of the blue, because you are hoping it will interest a woman gamer, and making awkward sexual comments that people expect in their game. This goes doubly so for games in public spaces, like conventions or stores.

And just because it is okay with your wife, girlfriend or the woman in your gaming group at home, that doesn’t mean that it is okay with all women. If it makes someone at the table uncomfortable, or makes them feel like they are being harassed, just don’t do it, or apologize for having done it.

And, of course, none of them are safe from accusations of being a “fake geek girl,” or being in the store to get something for their husband or boyfriend. Apparently the idea that a woman would want to buy her own dice or miniatures or rule books is alien to some gamers.

As Jon Peterson, author of Playing at the World, points out in an online essay, there have always been gender problems in tabletop gaming. But he also points out that women have been interested in tabletop gaming for a long time. But, just because something has “always been that way,” it does not mean that it has to stay that way. Even in the 1970s TSR Games employees were taken to task by fandom, and female designers, to be more respectful of women gamers and to stop using phrases like “ladygamers.” Sadly, these attitudes that were considered to be outdated back then are still being perpetuated now…in some cases by some of the same people.

My first AD&D group, back in 1979, had a woman for the GM, and about half of the group were women. Most of my groups since then have had women involved in them. We need to be better, as a community, about these things. We need to speak out when we see women being harassed, online or in person, and we need to tell the people who think that doing this is okay that it isn’t. We need to be active in making the change that creates better communities where we don’t have to worry about our friends being harassed because of their gender, or their sexual preferences, or their ethnicity. We have to convince conventions and organized play societies that having anti-harassment policies is a good thing, and enforcing them so that everyone feels welcomed and accepted is a better thing.

Guys, we have to remember that this isn’t about us. This isn’t about our perceptions of what is happening at conventions, during organized play events and in online games. We sit back, listen and ask what we need to do, rather than try to make the discussion about how it “isn’t all men.” We already know that. We need to not take the focus away from what needs to be done.

There are never going to be completely safe spaces, in gaming or outside of it. However, we can make better places where no one has to worry about their body parts being part of the table talk, or their characters being sexually violated. It is the 21st century, and we should be better about this than we are. We need to stop being quiet, stop facilitating harassment, and we need to start making better spaces for ourselves and our fellow gamers. A group, like nerds, that talk so much about being harassed in their youth for being different should really be more sensitive about harassing others. We can, as a group, be better about this, and we need to do it.
 

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But you're OK with punishing the accused on an unsubstantiated accusation?

Look dude, we're talking about removing someone from a convention, not sending them to jail. Given the relative frequency of harassment compared to the frequency of people faking it, if I was running a convention, I'd make that choice in a heartbeat. If things turned out to be the other way around later, I'd apologize, refund fees, etc. But if I'm running a show, you better believe I'm erring on the side of protecting a potential victim.
 

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GMSkarka

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But you're OK with punishing the accused on an unsubstantiated accusation?

Yes, because I know that the "false accusation" thing is far, far less likely than actual harassment, despite constantly being thrown up by rape-deniers as a constant wall of noise.

Because a policy of what-I'm-sure-YOU-would-see-as-"Draconian" punishment just might result in gamers being more aware of their actions, and the actions of others, instead of EVERY TIME this topic comes up, clowns like you coming out of the woodwork to deny that it's an issue.

As Voltaire says in CANDIDE: "Dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres." ('In this nation, it is good, from time to time, to kill an admiral, to encourage the others.')
 

AWizardInDallas

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Haha be our guest. If you're really afraid of all that enjoy your safe space. I'll be in a store with groups of people playing games.

So will I and have been for 35 years. Non-sequitur reply taken out of context of the original Q&A and contributes absolutely nothing. Discussion with you terminated due to lack of manners.
 

GMSkarka

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Look dude, we're talking about removing someone from a convention, not sending them to jail.

Exactly. One one side, you've got the potential for somebody to miss out on spending a weekend pretending to be an elf. On the other, letting somebody get away with harassment and/or assault.

It's not even a hard decision. Or shouldn't be, for any functioning adult.
 

Fergurg

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Yes, because I know that the "false accusation" thing is far, far less likely than actual harassment, despite constantly being thrown up by rape-deniers as a constant wall of noise.

Because a policy of what-I'm-sure-YOU-would-see-as-"Draconian" punishment just might result in gamers being more aware of their actions, and the actions of others, instead of EVERY TIME this topic comes up, clowns like you coming out of the woodwork to deny that it's an issue.

As Voltaire says in CANDIDE: "Dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres." ('In this nation, it is good, from time to time, to kill an admiral, to encourage the others.')

3 things:

1) So you do believe that the accusation is the evidence?

2) It's the "clowns" like me, who have been falsely accused of something with no recourse, that want to make sure that "The accusation is the evidence" is not the standard that exists anywhere else.

3) As the director of a company, you derogatorily insulted a customer - me. You lost a customer over this, and I will do whatever I can to make sure that you will lose more.
 

Fergurg

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Exactly. One one side, you've got the potential for somebody to miss out on spending a weekend pretending to be an elf. On the other, letting somebody get away with harassment and/or assault.

By "No proof means no action", you have the potential to not punish an unjust act; however, "The accusation is the evidence" being the standard, you are choosing the potential of being the one committing an unjust act.
 

AWizardInDallas

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From this I can gather that you are either extremely lucky, living in a bubble, or most likely oblivious.

Arrogant presumption. Your don't know me. I have been involved with this hobby for over 35 years, have attended many conventions, run games for a multitude of groups, including at conventions, and even have industry credits to my name. I am familiar with a while range of gamers, male, female, old, young, whatever. Neither of our experiences are relevant to the key points:

1. Unfounded accusations are not fact. Let me say it yet again, accusation should never be accepted as evidence of wrong doing. This article labels "white male" gamers as "terrorists" without any substantiation whatsoever. No volume of data has been collected or presented to support the proposition.

2. I whole heartedly agree that no one should be subjected to harassment. Anywhere, anytime, ever.

The only thing that has changed is the complete wussification of America to such a degree that the knee jerk reaction to accusation is to accept it at face value without proper validation. We might as well be discussing Bigfoot (which would be far more entertaining).

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Arthur Conan Doyle
 

Taneras

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I get that people don't like being called a terrorist, I was not happy about that piece when it started circulating in my social media

Honestly so long as its directed at specific individuals I couldn't care less if people called them terrorists as in some sense they would be. But, I do have a problem with directing this at an entire race and an entire gender, which is what that blogger did. Moreover, one must question how valid those reports were. With that sort of title, I think its easily argued that the author of that blog is pushing a specific narrative, and I don't think I'd trust them to balance their own biases in this instance and present a fair case.

Christopher Helton said:
I realized that being inflammatory didn't make the article wrong.

I agree 100%, but again I think it could easily be argued that the information on that blog was questionable seeing as the author of that blog seemed to want to push a very specific narrative.

Christopher Helton said:
If people are getting upset over being compared to terrorists, then perhaps instead of lashing out they should take a look at the behavior that is getting themselves called terrible things.

I'm assuming the people you're speaking about are white males. If that's the reasoning you're operating under, the same could apply to Muslims and Islamic Extremists. Just because you belong to a specific religion its your responsibility to "take a look at the behavior that's getting themselves called terrible things". Or pointing to black crime statistics and finding a black on the street and telling them that if they wanted to stop being called thugs and criminals they need to take a look and start speaking up/acting out.

I think we both know that wouldn't be appropriate in the aforementioned examples but for some reason you think that just because someone has a certain type of genital and has a certain skin pigmentation color that they should share some of the responsibility of others like them.

Honestly, again, this just sounds like more progressive nonsense.

Yet again we have a handful of gamers coming in to whine about their hurt feelings over the "White Male Terrorism" label, purely because they happen to share some traits with the ones who are committing these acts. "That's hate speech! That's inflammatory! That's sexist, racist and wrong," they wail.

And according to progressive standards their right. Imagine "DudeBros" coming out and making articles about how women, or blacks, or gays, are ruining the table top/gaming/music/movie/whatever experience and all the while clammering that if you disagree with them you're invalidating their experiences and that the only proper response is to sit back, listen, and ask how they could help.

I'm sorry people are expecting you to be consistent with your worldviews.

Gosh... it must be frustrating to feel like you're being demonized simply because a minority of bad apples are from the same demographic that you are. Congratulations. Now you know how about a billion Muslims worldwide feel.

There's no vengeance in justice or fairness. You sound very bitter and want to inflict the same sort of harm you've experienced on others as a way to balance things out. You're literally becoming the monster you want to fight.

Pro-Tip, DudeBros -- literally EVERY female pro colleague that I have in this industry has a bunch of stories of harassment and worse, occurring at Cons. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Am I supposed to believe, according to your argument, that they must ALL be engaged in some gigantic conspiracy of lies?

Howsabout you grow the hell up, instead?

It seems you and your friends have an extreme string of bad luck, as someone has already posted a survey of 3,600+ individuals who attend events like these and I believe only 8% answered that they've personally experienced harassment (sexual, racial, or otherwise). The majority of these respondents were female. So considering most of the attendees of these events are male, and operating under the assumption that women are targeted more than men with regards to harassment then that 8% is over inflated as that's the figure when mostly women answer the survey.
 

AWizardInDallas

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Look dude, we're talking about removing someone from a convention, not sending them to jail. Given the relative frequency of harassment compared to the frequency of people faking it, if I was running a convention, I'd make that choice in a heartbeat. If things turned out to be the other way around later, I'd apologize, refund fees, etc. But if I'm running a show, you better believe I'm erring on the side of protecting a potential victim.

I'm totally okay with local security kicking :):):):):):) people from a convention when they SEE harassment. That is totally reasonable in any venue. I'd actually forgotten this because it's been so rare, but I've actually asked a player or two to leave the table. I've had players throw things, badger, attempt intimidation (um, the real kind without dice), and even once offer up a punch to the face. I had one player accuse another of unfair treasure distribution which lead to a discussion on ethics and morality that I had to terminate. That player is no longer with us and the game is better for it.
 

By "No proof means no action", you have the potential to not punish an unjust act; however, "The accusation is the evidence" being the standard, you are choosing the potential of being the one committing an unjust act.

I've written and deleted about 6 replies to this, because wrapping my head around your attitude is confusing the f*ck out of me. THIS IS NOT A COURT OF LAW. Any "punishment" leveled has the most transitory and minimal consequences. Given the choice between committing the potential "injustice" of not letting someone stay at my cool nerd party because they have been falsely accused (a manifestly VERY RARE occurrence) and the hazard of letting a harassing :):):):):):):) (a much more likely occurrence) stay at my cool nerd party, there is NO QUESTION what I'd do. If I am wrong in the first case, I'll have some heavy apologizing to do later, and that's fine. If I turn out to be wrong, I have no problem mea-culpaing. If I am wrong in the second, I am negating someones else's good time, and potentially allowing an element to remain at my cool nerd party that could harass even more people.

This is not a hard choice.
 

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