We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.

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Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.
Just as a warning, for those who might be bothered by certain sorts of content, some of the incidents that were relayed to me, the stories that were told, have jarring, uncomfortable occurrences in them. If mentions of rape and unsolicitated physical contact will bother you, you might want to skip the rest of this article. I know reading the emails and PMs from these women bothered me as they came in.

As much as what these women related bothered me, and obviously bothered them as the targets of the harassment, I felt that the fact that it was so uncomfortable was exactly the reason why this current piece needed to be written. We, as a group, need to start looking the people doing this harassment in the eye and telling them that we don’t think it is okay. We need to stop pushing these accounts into the shadows, under the rugs, and pretending that they do not exist. We need to make our communities into better places for everyone, and not just a bunch of men.

I put out a call over my various social media feeds (which was shared a lot), asking for women to share their experiences of harassment in tabletop gaming with me. Anonymity was offered to those who wanted it, and not surprisingly most respondents asked that their names be kept confidential. The reasons for them wanting to be kept anonymous were one of two. First, they were afraid of further harassment within their communities for calling out the bad behavior. They seen how women who tell men to stop get treated in small, closed communities and, for better or worse, they want to continue with their hobbies without additional harassment. The second reason was a bit scarier. Some of these women are professionals, working in tabletop gaming in a number of different capacities, who fear that publicly coming forward would negatively impact their careers within gaming.

I’ll just say that last one again, with emphasis: they were afraid that coming forward about their harassment, or the harassment that they had witnessed, would negatively impact their careers in tabletop gaming.

Because of these reasons, I will be keeping the identities of everyone who asked anonymous. Everyone who spoke with me identified themselves, I am just not identifying them.

One of the common threads through the experiences shared was rape. Most of these women had had characters raped during convention play, online games, or at events at stores. Sometimes the rapes were matter-of-factly introduced into play, others there was a titillating level of graphic detail to the assaults. One women talked about how a regular attendee at a local convention bragged of having a “rape kit” in his car for the women at the convention, and at one point he yelled at her to “find him women to sleep with.” She also talked about the organizers of the convention having a “men only camping retreat” and when she was on the board of the con the only way that she could attend was “nude and wearing a dog collar.” Another woman talked about the GM of her online game suddenly having her character knocked unconscious, taken away on a ship, and then graphically narrated raping her character. All of this occurred on voice chat while using a popular virtual tabletop site.

Another woman told me that her attempts at organizing a couple of women only games for a VTT online convention was met with such vehemence from male gamers that the games were pulled from the schedule of the convention.

People wonder why more and more people think that anti-harassment policies are needed at conventions. After all, even Gen Con has one:
Gen Con: The Best Four Days in Gaming! is dedicated to providing a harassment-free Event experience for everyone, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race, religion, or affiliation. We do not tolerate harassment of convention participants in any form. Convention participants violating these rules may be sanctioned or expelled without refund at the discretion of show management.

And an Ethics policy:

All of the following constitute grounds for expulsion from the convention without refund:
  • Violating any federal, state, or local laws, facility rules or convention policies
  • Failure to comply with the instructions of Gen Con Event Staff or security personnel
  • Using anything in a threatening or destructive manner against person or property
  • Endangering the safety of oneself or others
  • Threatening, stealing, cheating or harassing others
  • Failure to conduct oneself in a mature manner

The creators of the 13th Age RPG have anti-harassment policies for their organized play because “Nobody shows up for a game with the goal of feeling uncomfortable or unsafe, and sorry that they came. But organized play brings together many different types of people with different expectations and approaches to play. An anti-harassment policy sets ground rules that everyone can recognize and follow, resulting in better games and more fun.” In the policy they outline harassment as “Everyone has the right to a space that is safe from any type of harassment: physical, verbal, emotional, or sexual.”

Honestly, considering the experiences that have been related to me, these sorts of policies should be commonplace for conventions and organized play. I have heard that Paizo is currently drafting an anti-harassment policy for their organized play, and Ad Astra Games has one in place already.

These are some of the more overt things that women have to deal with in their tabletop gaming experiences, and doesn’t go into the more “casual” or systemic harassment and sexism that women deal with at conventions, in online play and at game stores. One of the women talked about women being a subclass in society, and it being more so in gaming communities. “It sucks for a female gamer, going into a store and having that reaction.”

Men are openly commenting on women’s body parts in a sexual manner. Sexual content is added to games because “that’s the kind of stuff that women like.” Crude sexual references and jokes are made.

I’m not saying that there is no place for sexual, or adult themes, in gaming. Just the opposite, in fact. In my personal groups I game with grownups, and we play games that can have adult material in them. We have, however, agreed that content like that is okay in advance, and most of the time we agree that players’ agency over their characters should not be railroaded by the story of the game, or the actions of the GM. There is a huge difference between making awkward sexual comments out of the blue, because you are hoping it will interest a woman gamer, and making awkward sexual comments that people expect in their game. This goes doubly so for games in public spaces, like conventions or stores.

And just because it is okay with your wife, girlfriend or the woman in your gaming group at home, that doesn’t mean that it is okay with all women. If it makes someone at the table uncomfortable, or makes them feel like they are being harassed, just don’t do it, or apologize for having done it.

And, of course, none of them are safe from accusations of being a “fake geek girl,” or being in the store to get something for their husband or boyfriend. Apparently the idea that a woman would want to buy her own dice or miniatures or rule books is alien to some gamers.

As Jon Peterson, author of Playing at the World, points out in an online essay, there have always been gender problems in tabletop gaming. But he also points out that women have been interested in tabletop gaming for a long time. But, just because something has “always been that way,” it does not mean that it has to stay that way. Even in the 1970s TSR Games employees were taken to task by fandom, and female designers, to be more respectful of women gamers and to stop using phrases like “ladygamers.” Sadly, these attitudes that were considered to be outdated back then are still being perpetuated now…in some cases by some of the same people.

My first AD&D group, back in 1979, had a woman for the GM, and about half of the group were women. Most of my groups since then have had women involved in them. We need to be better, as a community, about these things. We need to speak out when we see women being harassed, online or in person, and we need to tell the people who think that doing this is okay that it isn’t. We need to be active in making the change that creates better communities where we don’t have to worry about our friends being harassed because of their gender, or their sexual preferences, or their ethnicity. We have to convince conventions and organized play societies that having anti-harassment policies is a good thing, and enforcing them so that everyone feels welcomed and accepted is a better thing.

Guys, we have to remember that this isn’t about us. This isn’t about our perceptions of what is happening at conventions, during organized play events and in online games. We sit back, listen and ask what we need to do, rather than try to make the discussion about how it “isn’t all men.” We already know that. We need to not take the focus away from what needs to be done.

There are never going to be completely safe spaces, in gaming or outside of it. However, we can make better places where no one has to worry about their body parts being part of the table talk, or their characters being sexually violated. It is the 21st century, and we should be better about this than we are. We need to stop being quiet, stop facilitating harassment, and we need to start making better spaces for ourselves and our fellow gamers. A group, like nerds, that talk so much about being harassed in their youth for being different should really be more sensitive about harassing others. We can, as a group, be better about this, and we need to do it.
 

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If people "constantly make claims against you", perhaps one should ask what it is it about one's own behavior which is leading to that happening. These things don't happen in a vacuum, y'know. There's not some secret cabal of Cootie-Bearing-Wimmens that decided "let's all falsely accuse this guy at every con he's at!"

If you "constantly" smell smoke, it might behoove you to just maybe consider that fire might be the possible source.

I'm reminded of the excellent Justified quote, paraphrased to make it grandma friendly.

"You run into a butthole in the morning, you ran into a butthole; you run into buttholes all day, you're the butthole."
 

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I'm A Banana

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Is ENWorld a site for RPG news and discussion, or is ENWorld now a political site? I would very much appriciate clarification as I am looking for an RPG news and discussion site, but the recent chain of articles indicates to me that ENWorld is now more concerned with pushing politics.

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These social justice articles are getting too heavy-handed for me. One can't go anywhere (physically or digitally) these days without being hit with an agenda - and, yes, this article feels agenda-driven, especially considering the ones that have come before it.

This keeps being called "political."

But...what, exactly, is political about "Harassment at cons is bad and we should do what we can to minimize it?"

Where's the point of disagreement there? It seems absurd to me that there would be some cabal of pro-harassment people out there running for office who think there should be MORE harassment at cons and that harassment at cons should be encouraged and enabled wherever possible. It's not like there's any real disagreement about that.

There's an "agenda" that sets out to minimize sexual harassment, but, again, I don't think there's any real counter to that agenda. Nobody's saying we should have MORE sexual harassment or that sexual harassment is FINE.

If this is seen as political or having an agenda, than what's the opposing/reactionary party's line? What's the counterpoint? What's the "pro-Harassment" platform?

I mostly see people people just saying it's less bad for someone to be harassed than for someone to be tossed out of a convention unfairly. That's not a position that seems political at all - it's not like there's a 2016 presidential candidate who is making "convention justice" a cornerstone of their stump speech or something. It only seems to be a position that can't hold up to much scrutiny - the latter seems to be mostly a bogeyman that doesn't actually exist, and even if it did, would suck less than sexual harassment (though it would suck for that one person!).
 
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If I was a cynical activist, which I am not, I would start going to some of these events and accusing women of harassment, since no evidence is needed except someone is making you feel uncomfortable.

The Alamo Drafthouse ejects people for talking during movies. You get a warning and are then kicked out, with no refund. They dont require taped evidence, they take their customers at their word. Because the chance some random person is going to accuse some other random person of talking during a movie is so friggin low its ridiculous.

And it's ranked one of the best theaters in the country. And that's just talking in a movie theater, not something actually serious like sexual harassment/assault.

So if a Con implements a policy that scares off the MRA's and social justice villains for fear of false accusations, I cant wait.
 

I'm A Banana

Potassium-Rich
The Alamo Drafthouse ejects people for talking during movies. You get a warning and are then kicked out, with no refund. They dont require taped evidence, they take their customers at their word. Because the chance some random person is going to accuse some other random person of talking during a movie is so friggin low its ridiculous.

And it's ranked one of the best theaters in the country. And that's just talking in a movie theater, not something actually serious like sexual harassment/assault.

As a matter of policy, it seems to be a good one. I'd have problem with it as a matter of law, what with the prison and the punishment and such, but for Theater Owner Theresa or Con Organizer Karim or whatever, it seems smart. Any fear of being targeted for something you didn't do is looking to be overblown - the actual risk seems to be so minimal as to be invisible (or nearly so). Maybe something about the elective environment (ie, no one's MAKING you show up there, and if you do show up, it's to play games, not to ruin everyone else's fun) helps curb it.
 

Charwoman Gene

Adventurer
One problem is people can unknowingly hurt other people quite badly. I like many gamers felt harassed and abused in high school. But looking back, my gaming group, by virtue of having the biggest and strongest, smartest and most sarcastic people were terrible bullies to the other gamers. It's terrible. And I had no idea.

I'm sure when we are talking about the low level harassment, many of the accused may just not be looking at this from the right perspective to see the harm. And most of the low-level stuff gains the alleged harasser so little, that the hope is simple awareness could wake someone up.
 

Dannager

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Well said. It's gotten to where it's impossible to just to exist and be oneself (while of course being decent and compassionate) without sad and demented shaming and guilt tactics being employed to attempt control, which the actual goal. This to me is the ultimate thrust of the article: to illicit shame and guilt from the 99% who behave just fine from the bad behavior of the 1%.

It's actually kind of horrifying that you see articles like this discussing individuals who have experienced awful things, and your mind immediately leaps to, "They're trying to control us!" That says an incredible amount about the sort of person you are and how you view the world around you. No one is trying to control you. No one is trying to shame you. All that anyone is trying to do is to ask you to help improve things, and your response is to essentially give them the middle finger?

When people write articles like this asking you to exert peer pressure to make the community more welcoming and less hostile, antagonistic, cynical, and paranoid, they mean doing exactly what I'm about to do right now to you: Please, stop acting in the way you are acting. It is harmful, it threatens to make things worse, and it's the kind of behavior that drags the entire community down. This isn't me trying to control you, or to control your actions. It's me asking you to step the hell up.

It also amazes me the number of people here that believe in the totalitarian notion of guilty until proven innocent, which of course opens the door to accusatory abuse. Player A doesn’t like Player B's hair gel today so accuses him of harassment.

No one here believes in "the totalitarian notion of guilty until proven innocent". That's a mischaracterization of the people arguing with you, and if you're intellectually honest that will be the last we hear of it from you. We aren't a court of law. We aren't in a position to punish anyone. We aren't in a position to pass judgment. We aren't in a position to investigate anything to a point of reasonable certainty. This isn't about deciding guilt, this isn't about proving innocence. This is about dealing with an immediate problem in a mature way. As others have pointed out, this is how most law enforcement already operates in the moment. It is accepted as a best practice, and it's absurd that you would object to it.

I want to hear you say, "I understand your position now, and I won't deliberately mischaracterize you in the future."
 
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Elf Witch

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Is ENWorld a site for RPG news and discussion, or is ENWorld now a political site? I would very much appriciate clarification as I am looking for an RPG news and discussion site, but the recent chain of articles indicates to me that ENWorld is now more concerned with pushing politics.

So discussing bullying and harassment in gaming is a political issue now?

There are two threads about this out of many. So why do you feel the need to come on to whine about it instead of just ignoring it and reading the threads that are of interest to you?
 

Dannyalcatraz

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I'm not sure how cheap it would be. For cameras to be effective, you'd probably need a fair number of them. I've never been to a con, but I have been around a few crowds before, and I have worked in retail and other occupations where I've seen how security cameras work in practice.

I'm not sure of what the proper number of cameras per sq foot of floor space would be, especially since you might need multiple angles to avoid the cameras' view being obstructed by people passing between the camera and the site of a reported incident. I'm also sure that the cameras themselves, the installation of the cameras, and the software to run them and the hardware to store the footage would probably be a significant investment, at least initially.

I would also propose that a con maintain the camera footage for at least 30 days after the con has concluded (60 or 90 days would probably be preferable), and to make sure that people know the footage is retained for that long. That gives people who have been assaulted but who were hesitant to report at the time it happened (because of embarrassment, or shame, or what-have-you) an opportunity to take the assault to the police, and to show proof of their claim.
Seems like there's room for a new product in the market: a body cam with a lockable removable drive compartment.*

Rent the things out for a nominal fee. At the end of the day, the renter gets a download of all the footage, time-stamped. But so does the venue's security team. Any illegal activity caught on camera gets passed on to police.







* Or something similar. The point is that the cameras capture visual data and is not easily editable by the people without the right key...
 

Elf Witch

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If I was a cynical activist, which I am not, I would start going to some of these events and accusing women of harassment, since no evidence is needed except someone is making you feel uncomfortable.

What a load of horse manure. The paranoia of some people is really sad. There is no vast conspiracy to eject innocent men from cons. Most cons who do have anti harassment policies are not going around ejecting people just because someone was made to feel uncomfortable. They are talking to the people involved and usually what happens is they are told to stay away from each other and con security is alerted to keep an eye out. The only people being ejected were caught harassing other con goers.

Come on don't you think if so many innocent men were being ejected from cons we would be hearing about it on twitter as soon as it happens.

This is just a pathetic attempt by a certain group of people to try and deny that some gamers and geeks are bullies and harassers and need to be dealt with.

If you read what people are saying about the harassment it is far more than being made to feel uncomfortable it is being groped, followed and cat called at, being followed so some creep can get an upskirt picture. Gay/lesbian couples have been harassed, transgender folks have been harassed. POC have been harassed. And does it really matter if only opens a few times it? We should strive to stop it from happening at all.

I cannot believe that we even have to defend the idea of anti harassment policies. It is very simple you either believe that it it's wrong to harass people or you okay with it as long as it does not effect you.

Fergurg I have all the sympathy in the world for you about what happened but it has twisted your views on this matter. What happened to you in family court was done by someone you knew someone who was angry with you you see this kind of vengeful behavior a lot in family court.

The harassment that most people are speaking about is happening between strangers there is no personal grudge involved to punish someone as in your case. Believe me con security usually take a much closer view when the people involved know each other because there is always a worry that this might be the fall out of a disagreement. But when someone claims harassment from a complete stranger it is doubtful that there is a hidden agenda there of revenge.
 

Fergurg

Explorer
This keeps being called "political."

But...what, exactly, is political about "Harassment at cons is bad and we should do what we can to minimize it?"

Where's the point of disagreement there? It seems absurd to me that there would be some cabal of pro-harassment people out there running for office who think there should be MORE harassment at cons and that harassment at cons should be encouraged and enabled wherever possible. It's not like there's any real disagreement about that.

There's an "agenda" that sets out to minimize sexual harassment, but, again, I don't think there's any real counter to that agenda. Nobody's saying we should have MORE sexual harassment or that sexual harassment is FINE.

If this is seen as political or having an agenda, than what's the opposing/reactionary party's line? What's the counterpoint? What's the "pro-Harassment" platform?

I mostly see people people just saying it's less bad for someone to be harassed than for someone to be tossed out of a convention unfairly. That's not a position that seems political at all - it's not like there's a 2016 presidential candidate who is making "convention justice" a cornerstone of their stump speech or something. It only seems to be a position that can't hold up to much scrutiny - the latter seems to be mostly a bogeyman that doesn't actually exist, and even if it did, would suck less than sexual harassment (though it would suck for that one person!).

The political aspect is over HOW to stop it and whether or not "The accusation is the evidence". You are OK with that standard. I am not. That is where the political divide stands.

And we haven't even gotten into the question of what constitutes harassment. Who defines the standard? And whose perspective matters?

Now for the really cynical part. Let's say you have a strong opinion on a controversial subject. Pick one, it doesn't matter. Someone doesn't like that, and so doesn't like you. In fact, you're the kind of person she wants to see out of the hobby. Should she be able to have an easy way by simply lying about harassment in order to have you removed? For that matter, perhaps she doesn't even have to lie; she can say that simply being around you makes her uncomfortable. People get passionate about their causes.
 

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