Weretiger ECL 1 ?!?!?

[Xarlen]

You would be thinking of page 58. It's a list for NPC's. +1 CR.

 

[cthuluftaghn]

That would be it. I believe it also lists the listen/ spot/ search bonuses as +2 instead of +4, and also throws in a +2 to FORT, no?

 

[kreynolds]

a few involuntary changes should do that nicely.

That doesn't work as well in the case of a Weretiger. They're Neutral, which isn't nearly as bad as a Werewolf, which is Chaotic Evil.

 

[Artoomis]

That doesn't work as well in the case of a Weretiger. They're Neutral, which isn't nearly as bad as a Werewolf, which is Chaotic Evil.

Special: An involuntary change to animal or hybrid form ruins the character’s armor and clothing if the new form is larger than the character’s natural form. Characters can hastily doff clothing while changing, but not armor. Magic armor survives the change if it succeeds at a Fortitude save (DC 15).

When a character contracts lycanthropy through a lycanthrope’s attack (see above), no symptoms appear until the first night of the next full moon. On that night, the afflicted character involuntarily assumes animal form and becomes a ravening beast, forgetting his or her own identity. The character remains in animal form, assuming the appropriate alignment, until dawn and remembers nothing about the incident.

Thereafter, the character is subject to involuntary transformation under the full moon and whenever damaged in combat. He or she feels an overwhelming rage building up and must succeed at a Control Shape check to resist changing into animal form (see the sidebar).

Not good. Not good at all.

Neutral weretigers are "ravening beast." You forget your identity. You don't remember what happened tpo your clothes, or where all the blood came from. Very bad. Very bad indeed.

 

[Lucien the Luckless]

I run a campaign that has a weretiger pc. We run him as an EL of 6 or something like that. He is a natural lycanthrope though. The only thing I can really tell you is make up your own rules. He gets all the tiger abilities but instead of Damage reduction 15/silver, we decided that Silvered weapons would deal additional damage. we have our own DCs for changes, like changing into tiger form during the day is a shapechange dc of 15, while doing so under a full moon is like 5. and he only gets so many changes in a day. Then if you still feel this is too much, bring in some "Slayers" with Bane (lycanthropes) Shocking Bows with silver arrows and artifacts that will force changes at DCs impossible to achieve and erase your problem altogether.

 

[kreynolds]

Not good. Not good at all.

Neutral weretigers are "ravening beast." You forget your identity. You don't remember what happened tpo your clothes, or where all the blood came from. Very bad. Very bad indeed.

It's still not as bad. A Weretiger has a Neutral alignment, thus it is simply acting upon natural animalistic tendancies, as opposed to a Werewolf, which is driven by Evil. Sure, the surviving family members of your slain victim (you might slay a humanoid, but it's not a given, as you might simply slaughter a bear or something) won't care one way or the other if you're evil or not, but it's still not as bad.

I can think of 2 characters that I play that wouldn't have a problem with most acts they commit while in animal form if they were to become a Weretiger, as they were simply being driven by the natural behavior of the beast within, and they have tremendous respect for the power of nature and the wilds and do not judge it. It would be far different if they were Werewolves.

A neutral aligned beast might kill a child for food if given the chance, since they're small and defenseless, but a Werewolf might actually have some fun with the child and the family first, because the Werewolf is driven by Evil.

I didn't say being a Weretiger wasn't bad. I just said it wasn't as bad as a Werewolf.

 

[Xarlen]

You're just biased against the Werewolf, Kreynolds! Werewolves got the Shaft!

Ahem. The aligment restriction, I would think, would simply fit for those Infected, and when they change. Therefore, a Monk who's been infected by a werewolf will not lose his powers, only when the change commenses.

A True Lycanthrope could be of any aligment. Just like there can be Good Red Dragons. Of course, I've never much liked the 'Always x aligment' except for say, Outsiders and mindless creatures. The MM is just your Average critter.

 

[Darkness]

Didn't Dragon Magazine #293 supposedly have lots of ECLs? And is the weretiger's listed in it?

(I can't check myself; that issue of Dragon never reached Europe...)

 

[kreynolds]

Didn't Dragon Magazine #293 supposedly have lots of ECLs? And is the weretiger's listed in it?

(I can't check myself; that issue of Dragon never reached Europe...)

Sorry you can't check that issue, but you can always check higher up in the thread by reading it.

Were-creatuers are not covered in the Dragon ECL's.

I was actually kinda surprised that they left them out.

 

[Dakeyras]

Weretiger

It's not exactly what your player is looking for but Bodies and Souls has a Tiger Scion template that gives the player some of the abilities of tigers. It also has rules for taking templates a little at a time if you think the full powers would be too much at the current level.

Dak