What about my dragonborn

[Sunseeker]

One thing I'd like to point out is that while Devas replaced Aasamir as the "holy race", they weren't just a renaming. Devas have their own evil duality of Rakshasa to play off of, a race I wish was playable.

The thing is, pre-4e, Aasamir, Tieflings, these were just "blonde holy human" and "horned evil human". Devas and 4e Tieflings made themselves a unique race as opposed to just "reflavored humans". Of course it's certainly arguable that EVERY race is just a reflavored human. If Aasamir make a return, I'd like to see them get some kind of physical overhaul like the Tieflings did.

As for Eladrin, one thing I think they have in their favor as a replacement for "high elves" is that it's an actual racial name. Do the High Elves call themselves "high elves"? No, they have their own name for their race. It gets a little tedious seeing High Elf, Wood Elf, Moon Elf, Sun Elf, and then apparently only Drow get their own name. I would like to see all the elven variants get their own "racial names". To that end I'm OK with High Elves being called "Eladrin".

 

[avin]

But what would we do with the creatures long time known as Eladrins? Rename 4E Eladrins to something else. They came later

In my very own opinion Tieflings went from "humanoid with some kind of demonic blood heritage" to "some humans from bael turath (?) which made a pact".

Original Tieflings could be easily fit into different campaigns and worlds, while 4E's version pushed bael turath in. A place which don't exist in most homebrews...

 

[Janaxstrus]

One thing I'd like to point out is that while Devas replaced Aasamir as the "holy race", they weren't just a renaming. Devas have their own evil duality of Rakshasa to play off of, a race I wish was playable.

The thing is, pre-4e, Aasamir, Tieflings, these were just "blonde holy human" and "horned evil human". Devas and 4e Tieflings made themselves a unique race as opposed to just "reflavored humans". Of course it's certainly arguable that EVERY race is just a reflavored human. If Aasamir make a return, I'd like to see them get some kind of physical overhaul like the Tieflings did.

As for Eladrin, one thing I think they have in their favor as a replacement for "high elves" is that it's an actual racial name. Do the High Elves call themselves "high elves"? No, they have their own name for their race. It gets a little tedious seeing High Elf, Wood Elf, Moon Elf, Sun Elf, and then apparently only Drow get their own name. I would like to see all the elven variants get their own "racial names". To that end I'm OK with High Elves being called "Eladrin".

Except Eladrins aren't elves in any way shape or form. They are CG celestials with their own subraces. Brelani, Ghaele, etc. Eladrin appeared 12 years before 4e as well. Their CG celestial beings cred extends to 3 times longer than their 4e rebranded elves cred.

Devas also have their own subraces, Solar, Planetar etc. (and appeared in 1983, 29 years ago. Meaning they have been a race for 25 years BEFORE 4e)

Naming PCs races this is the equivelant of changing the names of the dwarven race to Azer and making Gnomes be the new dwarves. I would much rather see 4 years of the 4e versions retconned than 12-25+ years of D&D history changed.

 

[Sunseeker]

Except Eladrins aren't elves in any way shape or form. They are CG celestials with their own subraces. Brelani, Ghaele, etc. Eladrin appeared 12 years before 4e as well. Their CG celestial beings cred extends to 3 times longer than their 4e rebranded elves cred.

Devas also have their own subraces, Solar, Planetar etc. (and appeared in 1983, 29 years ago. Meaning they have been a race for 25 years BEFORE 4e)

Naming PCs races this is the equivelant of changing the names of the dwarven race to Azer and making Gnomes be the new dwarves. I would much rather see 4 years of the 4e versions retconned than 12-25+ years of D&D history changed.

What was need not mandate what is. What do you care anyway? You've expressed numerous times you've no interest in a new edition.

 

[Sunseeker]

But what would we do with the creatures long time known as Eladrins? Rename 4E Eladrins to something else. They came later

In my very own opinion Tieflings went from "humanoid with some kind of demonic blood heritage" to "some humans from bael turath (?) which made a pact".

Original Tieflings could be easily fit into different campaigns and worlds, while 4E's version pushed bael turath in. A place which don't exist in most homebrews...

Personally I just ignore the "Bael turath" part.

 

[Janaxstrus]

What was need not mandate what is. What do you care anyway? You've expressed numerous times you've no interest in a new edition.

Citation needed.

 

[JRRNeiklot]

I don't want the Dragonborn, "Eladrin", "Devas" and warforged in the core for a variety of reasons.

Warforged, Shifters, Changelings and Dragonborn to some extent, are setting specific. They make more sense to me in a campaign setting book.

This. I have no problem with Dragonborn in a particular setting like Dragonlance or something. But they don't belong in core. Core races should be the traditional D&D races.

 

[Sunseeker]

This. I have no problem with Dragonborn in a particular setting like Dragonlance or something. But they don't belong in core. Core races should be the traditional D&D races.

Unsurprisingly, the "traditional D&D races" are more than the "core four".

 

[Minigiant]

This. I have no problem with Dragonborn in a particular setting like Dragonlance or something. But they don't belong in core. Core races should be the traditional D&D races.

So werewolves in players handbook?

 

[JRRNeiklot]

So werewolves in players handbook?

Lycanthropy is a disease, and should probably be in the DM's guide.