What about my dragonborn

[Elf Witch]

I hate hate hate 4E dragonborn and teiflings especially teiflings.

That being said I think since so many players like them they should be in PHB and let DMs like me just say no they can't be played in my game.

I would also like to see a playable drow that does not have an ECL. I would also like to see gnomes back. I also really like the spellscales from 3.5 Races of Dragons.

I am a great believer in giving DMs and players choices. I don't get why just because you dislike something it should not be in the books.

 

[Sunseeker]

I don't particularly care for monstrous races, like dragonborn, tieflings, dark elves, warforged, minotaurs, and the like. The "redeemed villain" trope is a bit played out, and I don't like to blur the line between the Good Guys and the Bad Guys.

But that's just me.

So if it were up to me, I would put only the "Top Five" races in the new PHB, and put everything else into a separate book for exotic/monstrous races...something like a 5E version of Savage Species. I'm not saying they shouldn't be available to players who want them; I just don't want to have to surgically extract them from the core rules.

None of the listed races, save maybe minotaurs, are monstrous, or savage(though Drow "society" is a bit of a matter of opinion).

 

[Janaxstrus]

I forgot the Robots...err..Warforged.

In my perfect game they'd be out, but they are fine for a module/setting specific book.

 

[Andor]

Screw the Dragonborn, what about my Giff!

 

[Shemeska]

I honestly wouldn't mind dragonborn in 5e as an optional but non-core race. They're one of the few things from 4e that I don't mind at all, and they've rather grown on me over time.

But I want classic pre-4e tieflings in all of their glorious diversity, I don't want 4e devas (give me back aasimar), give me back pre-4e genasi, and pre-4e eladrins as a race of diverse, chaotic good outsiders and not 0HD PC super elves with glowing eyes. The design aesthetic of presenting new creatures that hijack the names of classic creatures they have little to nothing in common with needs to go.

But dragonborn I'm perfectly cool with.

 

[CleverNickName]

None of the listed races, save maybe minotaurs, are monstrous, or savage(though Drow "society" is a bit of a matter of opinion).

I guess it depends on how you define "monstrous." Dragons, constructs, demons, etc. are things that I would consider to be monsters.

The title of the book doesn't have to be "savage species," I was just giving it out as an example.

 

[Sunseeker]

I guess it depends on how you define "monstrous." Dragons, constructs, demons, etc. are things that I would consider to be monsters.

The title of the book doesn't have to be "savage species," I was just giving it out as an example.

But that doesn't really make things related to them monstrous. Half-dragons are certainly monstrous in appearance, Drow are certainly monstrous in culture, but there's no real justification Drow aren't just as playable as any other race aside from them being "bad guys".

Thing is, much like "demi-human", labeling certain races as "monstrous" or "savage" or some sort of terminology that associates them closer to animals than people really stinks of a sort of soft racism I'd rather not have at all.

Now, I wouldn't be opposed at all to a "Big Book of Races", which expanded upon "core" races and added in a HUGE variety of fantasy races, but to be quite honest, I think "humans, skinny humans, fat humans and short humans" is rather mundane for the average level of D&D fantasy. It's great for a LOTR replay...but there's a lot more to D&D than LOTR.

 

[Minigiant]

I don't particularly care for monstrous races, like dragonborn, tieflings, dark elves, warforged, minotaurs, and the like. The "redeemed villain" trope is a bit played out, and I don't like to blur the line between the Good Guys and the Bad Guys.

But that's just me.

So if it were up to me, I would put only the "Top Five" races in the new PHB, and put everything else into a separate book for exotic/monstrous races...something like a 5E version of Savage Species. I'm not saying they shouldn't be available to players who want them; I just don't want to have to surgically extract them from the core rules.

I can stand waiting for a Savage Species/Race book if it comes out early.
Like 6 months.
TOPS.

I am just so sick of playing humans, elves, and dwarves at this point. It's not them really. I got a few good characters out of the core 4-5-6 races. I' am just tired of seeing them. But the unimaginative players and DMs those races attract... either super stereotypes or skinny/fat/short humans!

 

[Sunseeker]

But the unimaginative players and DMs those races attract... either super stereotypes or skinny/fat/short humans!

This is why whenever I run a campaign in my own setting, I never allow dwarves. Had SOOOOOO many players who thought they were the hottest thing on the planet because they could end/begin every sentence with "aye" and talk in a butched Irish accent while they pretended that their character was drinking all the beer in the lands.

"Roll to see if I'm getting drunk!" Yes, you are, you drank so much you killed every dwarf EVER.

 

[Falling Icicle]

No wingless half-dragons in the PHB, please.